Auto-fit, Dawn outfits for G2F? yea, nay, not on the radar?
ZarconDeeGrissom
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I'll start off by saying, No, there is no particular outfit I came across that only was for Dawn, that I said "O, I have got to have that".
The curiosity is there, can we auto-fit Dawn outfits to G2F?
With just Daz Studio 4.6, and not paying for cloth editing suites (Silo, Hex, Thor, Whatever).
Will Daz Studio even comprehend the files?
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You can make your own clone there's a thread around somewhere about how to do it.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'Will Daz ever comprehend the files?'
Dawn and DS content for Dawn work perfectly in DS. Anything produced by Hivewire has a DS and a Poser version the DS versions are totally compatible with DS, some other products only have a Poser version other products only have a DS version.
You would need to create an autofit clone yourself -- I wouldn't expect to see a commercial clone available.
Nope. I asked HiveWire for permission to create a commercial clone and they said no.
Auto fit works using clone shapes of the source figure. The Dawn shape (mesh) is copyrighted and owned by HiveWire. Only HiveWire or someone authorized by HiveWire can produce a clone that is sold commercially or given away for free.
You can create your own clone, provided you own Dawn. (Dawn use to be free, not sure if she still is.) You can use that clone to autofit clothing yourself, but you are not allowed to give the clone away as a freebie or sell it commercially.
There is a product called CrossDresser from EVILINNOCENCE that will transform V4 clothes to Dawn and I think will go the other way too. You might be able to go Dawn -> V4 -> Autofit to G2F.
yes you can go from Dawn to V4 using crossdresser
I have done so and going to V4 it keeps skirt bones etc.
not so good going to Genesis but feasable, extra bones a problem,
(there are workarounds one can try like fitting to a rigged genesis dress instead or maybe SickleYields rigging and morphing system product)
to Genesis2F is another step and tends to cause too much mesh distortion
only just bought Mallenlanes clone for v4 yet to try it with that.
First, sorry to respond to this thread so late. It's the first I've seen it.
Autofit will work as long as you have a clone figure.
There is a thread over at Hivewire which describes in simple terms how to make a clone for Dawn. I've used this process to make a v4 clone and a genesis clone.
Creating one for Gen2 should be the same process.
Sickleyield, I personally would love to see autofits from gen2 and genesis to Dawn and from Dawn to Genesis/2. I doubt though that either company would ever agree to it which is a shame.
I recently saw the beautiful Victorian dress for gen2 and finally got around to trying autofit from Gen2 to genesis. I noticed that the skirts have really improved and there was almost no problems with skirts. I was actually looking for some information on how to create better autofits. If anyone knows of a tutorial could you please provide info?
thanks
Pen
Unfortunately, I have yet to get the Dawn "Stack" so any option that needs her, is not going to work for me... until I get the product.
As for Making outfits, I'm only aware of a "Silo" and a "Blender" thread in the Art forum.
Blender [Free program]
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/42075/
Silo [Cost money to get]
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/41937/
As for tutorial products, I've seen them in passing in the Daz store, didn't look much further then that. I'm still learning how to get skirts and dresses to look correct when in motion (still renders only so far).
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There may be allot of help on video sites (like YouTube, or from a Google search) for this kind of thing, if you have the time to sit and watch some one else click threw it. Given this was a thread from a long time ago, I'll guess you've don some searching already, that is an excellent thing to begin with. Perhaps the people that posted in one of those two threads can help you further as I'm a Noob still to allot of things.
Unfortunately, I have yet to get the Dawn "Stack" so any option that needs her, is not going to work for me... until I get the product.
As for Making outfits, I'm only aware of a "Silo" and a "Blender" thread in the Art forum.
Blender [Free program]
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/42075/
Silo [Cost money to get]
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/41937/
As for tutorial products, I've seen them in passing in the Daz store, didn't look much further then that. I'm still learning how to get skirts and dresses to look correct when in motion (still renders only so far).
Sorry...that I wasn't any help with your problem.
I have many modelling programs including Silo, but my problem is not related to the modelling of an outfit. I was more interested in improving the projection templates for autofit. I've been looking at the models for the projection template though and I've noticed that they are much more high poly, denser models. I think that might solve what I need.
thanks for your response.
Pen
I don't remember what of the two threads they were talking about thread counts, tho if it works, that is good. As for Silo, Wilmap and Novica immediately come to mind, I take a knee and bow before there knowledge.
As for me not having Dawn yet, it is a funds limit for the vast mountain of stuff I want. It will take time, that's all. And that is good for me, as it gives me time to figure out the workings of what I do have, lol.
Good luck with your outfits, I look forward to using them, eventually. Nice collection of stuff there at sharecg, thanks for sharing it.
Your welcome...I want to improve the Dawn Projection Templates. If I can I will share when finished...sort of sent off track with discovering the Jade is no longer with us...so sad!
I converted some of Jan19s dress for Dawn to G2F by exporting the model into Silo and fitting it to G2F, then using the transfer Utility and Sickleyield's rigging system to rig it. Works OK but you lose any morphs or special bones that are in the original.
On a different (but related) matter... thank you so much Pen for the clear and helpful tutorial on using Texture Transformer with DS. It was big help to me the other day. I'm sure I'd have given up in frustration had it not been for your step-by-step guide through the confusing stuff. :)
Also very good to hear about your experience with the Victorian dress and Genesis, as that's something I was interested in too.
You can actually transfer morphs alone with the transfer utility and if the clothing item as source and the target are decently close, then it works quite well. I even use the method to 'borrow' morphs from other clothing items to enhance others without morphs. After the transfer I usually have a 'blank' run of transfer utility with G2F as source and the clothing item as target (no check marks set), so that "Fit to" doesn't throw a fit.
Not sure if this is typical procedure, but that is how I go about it :)
On a different (but related) matter... thank you so much Pen for the clear and helpful tutorial on using Texture Transformer with DS. It was big help to me the other day. I'm sure I'd have given up in frustration had it not been for your step-by-step guide through the confusing stuff. :)
Also very good to hear about your experience with the Victorian dress and Genesis, as that's something I was interested in too.
No problem Jindi I had some issues myself which is why I did it. I'm glad it's useful.
Just wanted to clarify I haven't bought the Victorian dress yet. I was testing the autofit to see how good autofit went. I was very impressed though and will pick it up when I get chance now I've seen that the autofit has improved.
The templates for gen2 skirts seem to be higher poly and more than just a grid.
You can actually transfer morphs alone with the transfer utility and if the clothing item as source and the target are decently close, then it works quite well. I even use the method to 'borrow' morphs from other clothing items to enhance others without morphs. After the transfer I usually have a 'blank' run of transfer utility with G2F as source and the clothing item as target (no check marks set), so that "Fit to" doesn't throw a fit.
Not sure if this is typical procedure, but that is how I go about it :)
I think this may have been part of what I did. Iirc I fitted the outfit to Dawn then sent the object to daz. Have to remove the original object first or it will prompt the morph dialogue. I will have to check though my memory is shocking at the moment.
OK, that's good to know. Sounds promising in any case.
OK, that's good to know. Sounds promising in any case.I'll try to let you know how it goes. Poke me if you don't hear though. My memory is shocking lately.
Thanks Pen :) I can't resist these new Shifting_Images outfits, got to have the new dress too.
Thanks Pen :) I can't resist these new Shifting_Images outfits, got to have the new dress too.
Okay, bought downloaded and autofitted...worked beautifully!
The front has a fairly intricate pattern...no distortion.
When I looked at the wiremapping it looked great!
Fantastic! Thank you, thank you for trying it and reporting back, Pendraia. I'd have bought the dress at some point because it's gorgeous, but have to only buy what I know I will use so now it will be sooner rather than later.
And applause for autofit for coping so well.
That dose look really good, thanks for sharing that.
So this "Transfer Utility" thing can do the conversion from Dawn-to-G2F and/or G2F-to-Dawn? Wherever that "Transfer Utility" resides. (Studio, Poser, I forget, or Silo/Blender?). I watched one vid, and got lost after the fifth or so program the fella opened, did something, then closed and went to another completely different program. I'm not sure the "Transfer Utility" was actually shown in that vid, lol
I only had the chance to look at the one vid, then I dove into Blender.
O.K. your talking about this outfit.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/42889/
Really looks nice.
Off to add something to my wishlist, chat later, thanks.
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Is there a back to the dress?
This dress is made for Gen2 female and is worn in my image by Genesis.
I used the autofit function...I believe this requires owning Sickleyields product that allows you to convert back to Genesis from Gen2.
I used Gen3 female skirt as the source and Sickleyields dress template when converting.
thanks for the info, and the preview pics.
http://www.daz3d.com/genesis-2-female-clone-for-genesis
http://www.daz3d.com/genesis-2-male-clone-for-genesis
Hmmm, and it works with "Sickle Rigging and Morphing System"...
http://www.daz3d.com/sickle-rigging-and-morphing-system
O.K. Answers the Auto-fit in reverse thing. I've been just leaving the "Originally Designed For" as Unsupported.
Thanks.
No problem...autofit and being able to use clones increases the versatility of your runtime. It's certainly worth investing the time to learn more about it.
Do you need both the G2F clone (which I was planning to buy in any case) and SickleYield's Genesis rigging and morphing product to do this conversion? I don't mind getting both of these if I have to, especially seeing as they are both from SY, but I already have the other Genesis dress rig so don't want to double up if I don't have to.
Thanks to both of you, I've Learnt so much just trying to follow you on this thread.
That's a good question Jindi, don't know. The clone packs say they don't need it for something. I've decided I want to go mostly with genesis2 so it works for me.
You would have to have her product that provides a gen2 clone for genesis.
I haven't tried with the standard projection templates to see how they would work...I can tell you that generally Sickle's templates are higher quality than the original genesis ones.
If you can wait until the weekend I will try and see what the result is but I won't have time until then.
No problem, it will be appreciated if you do get a moment on the weekend, but you've already helped a lot. I'll definitely get the clone product, it was already on my wishlist.
Thanks also zarcondeegrissom.