Morph WIP: Christopher Reeve for Genesis

After the latest round of texturing improvements, I decided to tackle another celebrity look-alike morph for Genesis.  The subject this time: the late but great Christopher Reeve.  The following is a first draft, and I'll probably be scrutinizing photos of him for at least a few days as I keep tweaking it.  Feedback is welcome, be it positive or constructively critical.

 

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  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548

    Looks pretty good!  I think maybe his jawline needs to be a bit less rounded and a a tad bit more chiselled.  He is definitely recognizable as Christopher Reeves.

  • GregoriusGregorius Posts: 397

    Thanks!  I thought I was off to a good start, but I couldn't tell if it was just me.  Here's 3/4 view of the latest draft.

     

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  • GregoriusGregorius Posts: 397

    A few more tweaks have led to this update.

     

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  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548

    looks like its coming along nicely!

     

  • GregoriusGregorius Posts: 397

    It's been a while, so here's another update!  I welcome any further feedback!

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  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548

    Can you put the photos side by side?  I can tell you've made changes but they are subtle.  I am curious to see if I can tell where but its tough without them being next to each.  Looks good!

  • GregoriusGregorius Posts: 397

    Old on the left, new on the right.  Most of the tweaks involve the brow and nose bridge.

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  • SaphirewildSaphirewild Posts: 6,668

    Christopher is comming along so well Gregorius!!! It is sure turning out to look just like him :D

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548

    Yes coming along quite nicely!

  • GregoriusGregorius Posts: 397

    Thanks!  Here's a test of how he looks from a different angle and under different lighting.  Does the morph still look as good or better?

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  • SaphirewildSaphirewild Posts: 6,668

    He still looks good in my opinion!!

  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 11,374

    Here are some good reference photos.  Hopefully you have ones similar.  Try not to use only 3/4 views.  You also want shots from above and below.

    http://d1g4sq00ps2bp3.cloudfront.net/entertainment/20343.jpg

    http://www.capedwonder.com/wp-content/uploads/headers-letters-mcclure.png

    https://cdn.cloudpix.co/images/christopher-reeve/recordando-christopher-reeve-el-mejor-superman-original-5576b4c9eec80f3259f1e8f2b6169a23-large-1604314.jpg

    Use the photos in your modeling program so you have a way to measure against them.  You've got a good start, but are off in some places.  I can't see that you've said what progam you're using to make your morphs.

  • GregoriusGregorius Posts: 397

    Thanks, Cris, for the references and comments.  To answer your question as to the modeling software, I'm basically just spinning dials on Genesis in Poser Pro 11.

    Here's another update and another angle.  I mainly raised the nose bridge and made his face deeper.  The 45-degree shot could be said to approximate this image:



     

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131

    Very close. 1st thing I notice, and it seems typical, is a very small uptick at the corner of his mouth in the photo but that may and probably is a unconscious permanent expression of his in the photo. I know I discovered the same thing in an photo of mine that I created a morph from using FaceGen.

    The nose bulb seems slightly rounder in the face morph but that is probably the lighting environment of the likeness render.

  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 11,374
    edited August 2016

    Hopefully you can see some of the difference in the angle on the face and where the top of the forehead is and how much longer your lower face is.  Don't forget the ears.

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  • XaatXuunXaatXuun Posts: 873

    Hopefully you can see some of the difference in the angle on the face and where the top of the forehead is and how much longer your lower face is.  Don't forget the ears.

    didn't want to go off topic, but gotta ask . . how did you do that Cris ?

  • GregoriusGregorius Posts: 397

    Here he is after another round of what I hope are refinements.

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  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 11,374
    XaatXuun said:

    Hopefully you can see some of the difference in the angle on the face and where the top of the forehead is and how much longer your lower face is.  Don't forget the ears.

    didn't want to go off topic, but gotta ask . . how did you do that Cris ?

    I took the image of Gregorius' morph into Photoshop with a desaturated image of Chris Reeve.  I overlayed one over the other and lowered the opacity so you can see how they line up.

  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 11,374
    edited August 2016

    One thing you are missing is the angles of the face.  You have a much straighter angle (in red) than is on Reeve's face.  Part of the reason the lips seem to be in a jutting position and Reeve's looks relaxed is that angle the seems to push the chin up.

     

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  • GregoriusGregorius Posts: 397

    Here are the results of further revisions, with a nod to Cris for his insights.

     

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  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    Gregorius said:

    Here are the results of further revisions, with a nod to Cris for her insights.

     

    corrected that for you

  • GregoriusGregorius Posts: 397

    Thanks, Clohole!  My apologies, Cris.

  • SaphirewildSaphirewild Posts: 6,668

    This sure is coming right along Gregorius the only thing I might add here is maybe bring the size of his nose down a slight bit, if you look on the over layer that Cris did there is like a big time over hang of the nose.

  • GregoriusGregorius Posts: 397

    I tweaked the nose as you suggested, and these are the results.  To take a break from boring headshots, I decided to include a more dramatically lit and posed render of Christopher in his element.

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  • SaphirewildSaphirewild Posts: 6,668

    Wow it is really looking like him now!!!!

  • SaphirewildSaphirewild Posts: 6,668

    I was really studying him and noticed that you superman has a larger forehead tan the original is that intentional?

  • GregoriusGregorius Posts: 397
    edited August 2016

    Do you mean the hairline is higher?  If so, that's probably a consequence of the hair prop I'm using.  I might be able to morph it down somewhat, but I'm not sure.

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  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 11,374

    Glad to see you continue working on this.  Considering you are spinning dials only, you're doing well.  If you can start to learn to do morphs in a 3d program, you'll be able to get closer.  You might take a look at Blender (yes, Blender) as it's free.

     

  • LlynaraLlynara Posts: 4,770

    He looks amazing!

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548

    coming along quite nicely!

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