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Girl smoking - feedback and suggestions :-)

archgeoarchgeo Posts: 36
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I was working since some time on a bigger scene where I wanted a girl to smoke a cigarette on the street. As this turned not in the direction I thought (will get back to that at some time) I used the pose for a portrait. While I am pretty happy with the pose, light and composition I am struggling with the background. In colour the black background is ok, as the girl literally blooms. But in black and white the dark background doesn't fit. Any suggestions .. I am looking for something not to noisy which still makes the smoke visible.

Maybe you have some other suggestions for the smoke as well? I not wanted to buy some resources just for that, so maybe you can point me to some better freebies or tutorials for that? :-)

Thanks a lot!

Chris

 

Charlene smoking simple 1_export.jpg
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  • Griffin AvidGriffin Avid Posts: 3,764

    Ron's Brushes Smoke would be good for the smoke.

    https://www.daz3d.com/rons-detail-smoke

     

  • archgeoarchgeo Posts: 36

    Here the black and white variation of the first draft .. 
    When I had the scene in mind I was thinking about a bw in the first place. As it turns out now the colour variation looks actually better to me.

    Charlene smoking simple 1_export-2.jpg
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  • Griffin AvidGriffin Avid Posts: 3,764

    This is called Detail Smoke from one of his products.

     

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  • Griffin AvidGriffin Avid Posts: 3,764
    edited November 2018

    This is called Detail Smoke from one of his products.

     

    Post edited by Chohole on
  • punkypunky Posts: 25
    edited November 2018

    That’s fun: I recently did a similar image and kind of had the same issues :)

    I wanted the Image to be black and white, but in the end liked the colored version more. For the smoke, I used  three smoke props of https://www.daz3d.com/fast-fog-iray

    Regarding the background, I would recommend something more interesting than a plain color. Maybe a nice wall/concrete texture, or similar to my image, a full environment set blurred due to the depth of field. But you probably need to stick to darker tones, in order to make the smoke stand out against it.

     

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  • archgeoarchgeo Posts: 36
    Griffin Avid said:

    This is called Detail Smoke from one of his products.

     

     

    Thanks for the inspiration. Would you do this purely as post-processing? I found some free brushes and was thinking to have the smoke on a simple plane primitive in the model itself if it does make a difference .. maybe not.

  • Griffin AvidGriffin Avid Posts: 3,764

    Shouldn't make a difference, it's all how you want to work.

    The only pro for Post over in-Studio is you can always try a million different brushes and keep playing around till you find one or a combination you like.

    And keep a bunch of attemps and judge one versus another.

    Like a photographer would///

    Besides the Iray preview- experimenting with different looks is a tough thing.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131

    The pose is great but she looks like a manniquin. I'd try a different skin texture set, unless a toon style is what you are after.

  • Syrus_DanteSyrus_Dante Posts: 983

    Scale down the cigarette it looks to big in your render. Maybe scale it down about 95-90%.

    punky got the cigaret scaling right. Also there should be some glowing of the ash something you could do in postwork or I've heared of immersive shader in Iray a surface that emits light. The glowing end of your your cigarette model looks very artificial.

  • archgeoarchgeo Posts: 36

    Thanks for the feedback and suggestions. Somehow I screwed up the pose and try to rebuild it (somehow I failed to get the look I liked).

  • archgeoarchgeo Posts: 36

    https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#images/693316

    Here we are .. a few renders and tries later I am pretty close to the point I started from. ;-)

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