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For the curious, I did a naked render of G9 with feminine features. I specifically only used free G9 content (with the addition of an autofit G8 hair).
I think it looks like a pretty decent nude pic.
For $9.63 you could go a bit further with nipples and breast shape and facial features etc. etc., but for $0 you still have a bunch of eye colors and skins and fine details.
My DA gallery is at: https://www.deviantart.com/willbear
I didn't go into it wanting to hate it but for me it's just too difficult to work with because of the lack of facial surfaces. I ALWAYS play with lip colors and shine and often with colors of irises as well. G9 makes this impossible. If someone could make an easy way for me to easily adjust color and shine on lips, I'll reconsider but for now, it just makes things too limited for me. The whole surface panel is so complicated now. I understood how to change Uber settings to my liking but the new PBR settings are just too complicated for me. Also the hair issues and inability to change the color of the hair even if you just parent it? I suppose a PA will come up with a way to fit hair and I can change colors manually in surfaces but as great as G9 may be for PAs, it's a lot more work for users and in ways we have to do our own PA type work to make things work correctly. It's just too time consuming and not worth it if you have almost two decades of products you already own that work. For us, it's starting all over again and being forced to buy new products to make it usable or spending a lot of time trying to adapt existing products to work with it when we're perfectly happy with what we have. I have great Emma & Jordy, Rarestone, Handspan and other morphs, I have assymetical morphs, trans morphs to make characters male or female, FACS, bend morphs and countless PA characters, clothes and hair for previous generations... Sure G9 may be fine for new users, but there really isn't a logical reason longer time users need it especially when it takes more work to use and lacks surfaces.
I'll play around with it because it's a shiny new toy, but am I going to invest heavily into it when I already have so much great stuff and everything I need for G8? I think if PAs want to make sales, they have to go outside the box and create things we couldn't do with G8. New animals, aliens, creatures, As of now I don't see a great need for G9 unfortunately and the whole surfaces issue just makes it mostly unusable for me. Maybe it's designed more for people who like to use things exactly how PAs create them out of the box but for those of us who like to be more creative and have more control, it's kind of a nightmare to work with.
...excellent points.
Huh? How does that face look masculine to you??? Here's my render of her, I think she's gorgeous and feminine looking. But so do Mousso's G8 and G8.1 characters. I think they look equally good. I just don't see that much difference between G9 and G8.
After many hours of experimentation I have decided on a pass for G9. I will use it for monsters and aliens, Oso is on my list for sure, but due to my extensive collection of skins, morphs, poses, etc it is a pass. With no one click solution to convert my characters or their skins to G9 plus having to manually copy my extensive morph collection over, it's a no. G8/8.1 was where I learned to use zBrush, Blender, and Substance Painter to make my own morphs and skin edits including my own normal maps since we don't have access to the HD tools. I have close to 100 custom morphs I created and edits of others to fit my style and personal taste since G8 was released and dozens of custom edited skins.
Any bets which one will have the longer lifespan, Genesis 9 or Genesis?
With G9 Daz could have removed some Daz specific stuff to make it easier to use this character outside of Daz Studio. I always thought that Daz sells content. They introduced the Bridges, but should have made a more Bridge friendly character as well.
As the main "advantage" of G9 over previous generations seems to be the facial details, I don't expect too many full body shots in a discussion about "wow, look how great G9 looks...". On the other hand, I wouldn't be able to see any big differences anyway, like with the portraits shown here, which are great, but somehow don't look much different than great portraits done with G8(.1) figures.
Peppa comes with 2 morphs and i think one if not both lend themselves quite well to a male conversion.
The only difference is the skin and brows.
Since a lot of the problems that occured with Genesis is solved with Genesis 9 - I bet on Genesis 9
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I am having lots of fun with just the base
Every time I read about the train I can't help remembering the old Adams Family tv show when Gomez would blow up his trains lol!
just saying. G8.1.
just saying. G8.1.
Those looks realistic and very good. That's what I like too. It's like you get two characters everytime you buy one character, regardless of the gender sold as.
Beautiful!!!
...I rarely if ever do close up portraits as I'm more into scene building for illustration purposes. So I guess that means little advantage to adopting G9 eave for the Unimesh which hopeful cures the "big bust" issue previous generation Daz female characters tend to have, even supposed "teens".
Using various breast resource content (I have just about everything that has been released) isn't always a fix due to it being difficult to reduce the circumference of the breast area (particularly with G3) without distortion of the aureole/nipple region that can affect clothing fits and textures (for example on more petite characters I never use horizontal stripes). Also some clothing doesn't work well with smaller breast sizes as there sometimes is a "smoother" modelled in to get rid of the old "Saran Wrap" look that creates a visible bulge with petite breast sizes.
With G1 I had the least amount of difficulty.
I do hope that whoever makes a sequel to Sakura 8 for Genesis 9 does not go the "custom eyeballs" route again. That made her very useless as a blendable morph, until 3D Outlaw made that special morph that let you use regular G8F eyeballs with her.
G9's eyeballs are already separate geometry, so make of that what you will.
I'll chill until Gen 10 shows up.
I will be very honest and say while I do see the improvements in Genesis 9 and Victoria 9, I was expecting a lot more. I know some will say, wait, more is coming. I don't know, I think we have reached a threshold between Genesis 8.1 and honestly this shouldn't have been called Genesis 9, it should have been called Genesis 8.2. Also the way that this is presented, with the new morphing system and the way the pose is brand new, seems to me like a money grab rather than a sincere attempt at doing something revolutionary. Like uping the ante. I have models in Gen 8 that I could shade better and pose better than Gen 9 and all the things coming out.
So much of what is in the store now for Gen 9 is so bland and nothing to write home about. I know I am being a Debbie Downer, and that is not my intention I swear. I wanted to love the new Genesis iteration, but it is missing so many things that make me hate that I now have to expand a new library of items that will not be compatible with previous versions "Properly" and the lack of compatibility with Gen 8 at least seems like a very botched attempt at making the previous Gen clients happy. I bought the pose converter and it works great but that is it. So maybe I don't get all the technicalities, maybe Gen 9 bends better, Shades better, lights better, if so on all these, yet I feel we are at a point of diminishing returns in terms of quality. Whoever actually sees this drastic difference and it isn't a negligible difference please explain it to me. I mean Gen 8 from Gen 3 was an exceptional jump in Quality, but Gen 9 from Gen 8 feels like a gimmick....prove me wrong. Please educate me if I am missing something.
******in the pic Victoria 8.1 and the right Victoria 9
While I think the new face options are great and look better, I feel the same way. But it also feels like it from the sales point of view. Characters and tools have been coming in drip feeded, as if this was all a last minute rush or there was no more time. I don't feel the wow-factor in that sense and this being a groundbreaking update. Which it isn't to me at least.
Jay Versluis did a great demo before launch and that part was done well, but since launch, just not feeling it. Maybe they should let Jay do a few more tours of G9.
Maybe I am wrong and in 6 months it's a different story, but I definitely haven't boarded the train yet.
Yeah honestly I think you are absolutely right about your Jay comment, I saw that. You know what it feels like, as though a bunch of poses are just being repurposed and a bunch of things to get in on early. That hardly feels like a great start. I think there could be potential. But when you go from victoria 9 level to the other items being sold, that are of much lower quality. It does feel like this was botched from DAZ for their start to Gen9. Just My TWO CENTS.
Thread merged as it was not a Daz Studio topic and the Commons already has this thread on the subject.
G9 looks it took all the advances of last three generations and went back to be somewhere on the Genesis 1 level, or maybe even further back than that. The base character looks patently awful, having a single figure for male / female never works right and G9 proves that point again. The base feminine / masculine morphs are very weird and only make the character look even more deformed than the poor thing already is by default.
Maybe if third party vendors create proper morphs for it, it might be salvageable, but I don't see any reason to switch to it right now, unless I want to make ugly characters quickly.
I kind of have to agree in part. Other than V9 herself, that first batch of clothing (those medieval dresses) and the morphs, I think it's been kind of "meh". NOT thrilled with what's been coming out for G9 since. I had high hopes at first that the clothing was going to look better, but what's been on offer since has looked (sorry, not trying to be nasty) even worse than what we've gotten in the past. The figure looks more realistic. Sorry, but the clothes and hair is going to have to as well, or it won't matter how good the figure looks. There have been a couple exceptions of course, like the new character from bluejaunte and an outfit from Sprite. But all in all, yeah...just not feelin' it much :'(
as far as product releases for G9, I feel at some point we will see mainly products for G9 and the preceeding generations will slowly fade into the distance. There will be gnashing of teeth when there is not enough product for 8/8.1 soon. My only hope is that some of the gen8 stuff shows up in the cheap seats so it can be afforded. I did buy the G9 morphs and expressions, plus the starter essentials expansion, but am now considering a return as, for me, this G9 character really doesn;t add anything that I couldn't achieve before. The fact is, I have a whole lot of products for G3-G8.1 anyway.
I keep going back and forth..to jump on the train or just jump off and stay off. I cannot fault DAZ for trying to make money. Its the name of the game.
Oh well. Toss a coin.
I mean honestly if I can do this with Gen 8 with my own morphs what is it that Gen9 is going to do any differently? I have a collection of over 1000 items for gen 3 and gen 8/8.1. Gen 9 did not do something so over the top that I need to reinvest. Gen 9 is a pass unless it's something that can beat something like this easily.
+1 to this. The medieval dresses were great! I could feel the weight of the dresses and they reminded me when I used to dress up for the Renaissance faire with the skirt lopped on the belt and stuff (my mom made very realistic costumes). When I look at later stuff, they don't look nearly as good and I'm not interested in lingerie. When I look at the face morph kit, I don't understand it. I think it slides in the uncanny valley on faces, but I've seen some great faces on G9 from you in the other thread so I know there is a lot more potential. It might also just be their style preference so I don't want to knock on it too much. I'm having a lot of fun experimenting with the shapes bundle I bought, but that's because it's new and I never really played with the G8 shapes/morphs so no idea how it compares. The G9 purchases I've made were definitely worth it for me just for this reason. :)
I love new stuff, but G9 did take me by surprise. I've removed all the G8 and G8.1 people off my wishlists for now, but I'm not in a rush to get any G9 people either.