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...more than they have trying to force people to install W10?
...more than they have trying to force people to install W10?
Daz, get with it and support Linux so we don't have to deal with an OS as "a service" or MS's iron fisted policies.
Absolutely agree. A official DAZ3D linux version would make me smile too.
The main problem with doing linux support is time versus value. In the desktop and laptop market, Windows (all versions) holds the largest market share of all OS'es and OSX (all versiosns) comes in second. Linux is a distant third. It is smart for a company to program for the OS'es that have the largest market share in order to target the largest number of users.
The only way I can see Daz doing a linux version is if they just concentrated on supporting the base versions of which Debain and Slackware appear to be the largest - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg
While I am a Linux user, I only use it for online access and keep my windows 10 machine offline most of the time. I would not use or support a linux version of Ds.
I was thinking of sending a message to the DAZ staff suggesting the following:
1. They make a price estimation for one version of Linux running under say two main distro's like Debian and Fedora (not sure how RedHat are generally called).
2. We convert this price into a crowd-funding goal
3. We reach the crowd-funding goal (or fail and leave the idea in peace)
4.We hand over the money to DAZ and they make that ONE version for Linux (eq no updates, very limited support, only bug fixes when found).
5. If proven succesfull, we could repeat for every so many years/months when we desire an update.
I would like to know how many people would support me in this idea before I send the message.
I would support this. Of course, the cost is a big unknown at this point but it would be advantageous for me to be allowed to use Linux. I would not develop a new product for a distant third OS. But, I would port it if that would add to my income stream of selling other items (in DAZ3D this would be characters, sets, etc). It would seem since WINE can get so close to full functionality, the port may not be too difficult, but I am only guessing and hoping.
Honestly said, despite I'd really love to have a native linux version, I'm struggling with the idea of paying for this in full - it's a win-win in the end, I'd expect DAZ to throw something in the ring as well then. Even more, if it is a one-time thing, it will be outdated at some time and then again nobody cares, we again need to gather money, convince someone to do it, wait for it, and then rinse and repeat. Does not sound like a lasting plan, if you get me. :)
The better approach would be to extend the existing code by cross plattform macros and use the appropriate linux calls and libraries where they are needed. You know, stuff like
It's a wild guess but I think they already have it in place for OSX. If that's the case, it surely can be expanded by linux and, admittingly not knowing jack about their code, it shouldn't be too difficult - but there will be a ton of code to upgrade for sure, so not exactly an quick and easy task by far.
That's something I could and would support, because it would kind of guarantee, that there will be ongoing releases. And, if you ask me, that's the way to code nowadays, if you want to leverage all three relevant markets (sorry OS/2, you're out). There are a lot of libraries that are cross plattform, quite some are used by DAZ already, so it could be done. If some special plugins are missing, so be it.
Just my thoughts on it. Not seeing this to happen, but then, life's full of miracles. :)
Oddly enough there was a company that did a kickstarter to get Linux support for their windows/mac product and they got more then the funds they needed.
Leadwerks Kickstarter
Now if I recall Debian is one of the three original Linux cores so yeah that could be a good target.
See: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/101831/how-about-starting-crowd-funding-for-a-linux-version
for a discussion on this subject.
Kendall
Your code fragment is pretty close to what they would need, believe it or not, though it would be for platform specific things that are not handled by QT for whatever reason.
Of which there is a lot. DS4.9 uses a lot of OSS libraries that do also exist under Linux. See the thread noted above for lots of discussion. There is some light for Linux users.
Kendall
...my issue is I would not use or support W10 as most of the built in features are useless for me the ones I need now cost extra and their ham fisted update policy that (as I said on ZD net today) assumes everyone has the IQ of a banana slug when it comes to maintaining their systems.
They should have just built off of W7 instead of destroy the good thing they had, as they did with that "one size OS fits all" concept of W8, and now, the heavy handed approach to pushing W10 on everyone.
Most likely when W7 reaches its EOL, I'll have to pull the plug on Net access for the workstation and jump through several more hoops for installing content, updates, plugins, and uploading pics to here and my gallery site. I can easily put Linux on one of the notebooks just to do direct online stuff.
...what about 4.8 and earlier versions (I still use 3.1 for plugins like LDP2 and outdated shaders).
...I still question their decision for taking the option of manual updating away from those of us who do know what we are doing. Bad enough I would have to deal with feature bloat, like a useless assistant (I thought they leaned their lesson about that with "Bob"). The fact the 64 but version required an extra 1 GB of memory over W7 was also not very welcome when I had 12 total to work with.
If I went thorough with the W10 update I would have received the worst version (Home Edition) which takes everything out of my control. (yeah I built my system just after the i7 came out and when W7 was new (I actually had Vista Home Ed ed but got a coupon for the free W7 upgrade). 12 GB back then was a lot of memory.(and fairly expensive at that) when most systems only had 6 - 8.
The free version was nothing more than a bata test using ours, not their systems. If something went wrong (which did with a fair amount of frequency) their systems were not at risk and they were not liable.
Below is not fact, but a claim. So take it as is.
There is worse news for those that go to Win10, as Tim Sweeney claims that Microsoft will remove Win32 support, destroying Steam and a number of other Win32 applications (aka non-UWP applications) , which could and likely would include DAZ Studio in a bid to force developers and users into using the UWP system. Tim Sweeney has appearently been keeping track of the Win10 updates and noticed something to think about starting this claim. The process of Tim Sweeney's claim would be happening over the next 5 years.
I started a thread a few days ago about crowd funding a Linux Daz version.
...I read something about that yesterday. The DIM is defintely Win32 as is the CMS I believe Bryce, Hexagon, Gimp and PSP (the latter two which I use a lot) would also be affected as well.
Unlikely IMO.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/07/now-tim-sweeney-thinks-that-microsoft-will-use-windows-10-to-break-steam/
I wish MS would kill Steam. I hate that bug ridden mess:)
That's what I am doing now, and it's really not a problem. Just an extra step or two if you already manually install content. The end of support for Win7 doesn't mean the end of usefulness, just keep the box offline and it will keep working without any problems.
Since my art computer will never again go online, I doubt I'll even notice when the Win7 support ends.
+10.
My Win7 render system will only get retired if/when DAZ Studio no longer works on it. I retired my (perfectly good 9 year old Dell) laptop about this time last year because of Iray and the slow degradation of XP support in Studio.I really don't care about MS support for the system.
Sorry guys, completely missed the thread. Just came home from vacation, so haven't really read the new threads on the forum. I just read through the recent 3 pages of this thread and thought nobody mentioned the subject yet. Thanks for the link.
...+100
The issue with this, is that MS have stated they will not roll out support for new processors on anything but W10.
I've actually removed W10 from a new Laptop, and repalced it with 8.1, which I'm not keen on, but support for 8.0 has stopped. I'm the only user that prefers 8.0 to 7. /shrug I won't use the Laptop for Daz, even though it's a powerful laptop, it is still a laptop. It has an i7 and a variant of the 970 in it. Almost went for the 980ti, but realised I wouldn't be using it for rendering anyway.
MS shot themselves in the foot though, by not allowing me to upgrade the home version of W10 with a valid key to the Professional version, they have lost me. I contacted MS, and after seeing what was wrong, I was told the only way to change the Laptop from home to professional was to spend £180!
It is even crazier when the laptop actually has an enabled TPM chip for encryption.
I am now pleased to report that DIM and DS 4.9 x64 can run on Zorin OS (another Ubuntu-based distro) 100%.
First per the instructions, I installed all necessary files unto a PoL virtual machine running Windows 2003 on the latest Wine staging. DIM can download AND install things (except programs.) I have yet to go through the paces of DS to see what's missing and what's not. You will be informed.
~GO :D
Congrats! So glad you got it working!
...so does that mean just CPUs or GPUs as well?
Surely it would only be CPUs. I doubt that MS has much involvement in the development of CUDA and graphics related drivers. But, I'm not really up on MS stuff these days, so it's just a guess. But, if MS is pulling support for some platforms early, it could make it more difficult for NVidia to support older OS on cutting edge hardware, I guess. Honestly, MS has been cutting off really old programs more and more readily. I was able to run a relative's DOS database better on my Mac than he could on Windows 7. I guess it's just one more way that they are copying apple;)
...we really need Linux then. I will not have W10 infect any system I currently have or build in the future.
Soooo.... did you got the sliders working as properly? Or are they still buggy like for everyone else? Eq. releasing randomly and sometimes non-responsive to the keyboard?