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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,945

    Well, it's certainly a leggy model - 100% leggy.

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,679
    edited August 13

    Hands are still a problem...

    Regards,

    Richard

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,244

    I wonder why hands are so complicated to get right. Faces are OK, why are hands such a problem for AI?

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    barbult said:

    I wonder why hands are so complicated to get right. Faces are OK, why are hands such a problem for AI?

    If talking about AI in general, I have seen some pretty bad faces too 

  • huntermorrow3301huntermorrow3301 Posts: 2

    barbult said:

    I wonder why hands are so complicated to get right. Faces are OK, why are hands such a problem for AI?

    Humans are all different but still similar enough that anything unusual stands out. That’s why AI can mess up when generating some objects, like hands, and it’s super noticeable. You might not care if candies are in weird shapes, but fingers are another story. They’re small, detailed, and tricky to generate right, with things like finger positioning and joint movements being hard for AI to perfect.

     

    At least, that’s how I see it.

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,679
    edited September 26

    Can you remind me which is the front of a boat, the blunt end or the sharp end? Prompt 'Spray type yacht in rough sea sailing between icebergs."

    The image above has the boat going left (from the wake and towards the pointy end), but all the sails are powering it to the right, so the blunt end is the front, and this is confirmed by the bowsprit fragment visible unconnected to any other part of the vessel. Then there is the next 'Which way forward' conundrum:

     

    When I initially tried it, I had the prompt as 'sailing through icebergs' rather than 'sailing between icebergs' and got this very literal interpretation (though at least the sails are driving it towards the pointy end. Not sure how they are so full having such a flat, unruffled sea, but there you go):

    I wish the AI understood what a 'Spray Type' vessel was - one that's like Joshua Slocum's Spray, a beautiful little tub of a boat that was the first recorded vessel to go round the world single handed. It then took another 60 odd years before a solo vessel went round without stopping.

    Regards

    Richard

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  • JD_MortalJD_Mortal Posts: 760

    You can get a lot better results if you use a rendered model and do image2image, with text prompts. That can also help setup the "stage" for the scene, as AI otherwise pulls a random scene to start building off. It will layer and layer more details, until it has created one totally random "content scene", using text as a loose starting point, or an image as a more specific pre-selection starting point.

    The big thing is that image2image will often have less finger issues, less extra appendages, rarely lose appendages, and be closer to your desire. Which you can change by changing the image you supply as the starting reference. You can even put a cheap background, painted with low effort, as a guide for the AI to use. (Dark blue water, light blue sky, white and gray clouds, green plants and grass, brown tree trunks and branches, badly drawn buildings, etc)

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,679
    I'm fairly sure you are right that other AI can do better. However, this sub-forum is about DAZ AI, so I thought it's right place to share the amusing foibles of the DAZ AI, without further polishing/ correction by other AI packages. Regards, Richard.
  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,679
    edited October 8

    richardandtracy said:

    Interesting problem with the skater.

    I tried yet another "Woman piloting a spacecraft crash lands and is savaged by a house cat.", and used the seed 1964012014 on two separate occasions, getting the same image on both, as below.

    This cat is a tripedal bitailed cat, even rarer than the bipedal bitailed cat I got earlier. Interesting how the nearer tail is embedded in the character's foot and the further tail is acting like a leg. The character's right hand seems bifurcated into a thumb and 2 fingers on the left and two fingers and a thumb on the right. Left hand just looks odd, there are 4 fingers, but the ring & pinky fingers seem merged with a dark line dividing them.

    Whatever the issues with the images, it has to be said that the fact they exist at all is remarkable. I first got a PC at home in 1997, and then this 'world wide web' thing was still very new and dial-up was the best we could get. To have got here from there in such a short time is astonishing. Where will we be in 27 more years?

    Regards,

    Richard 

    That was April (above) Same prompt & seed in October 2024, and the helicopter is present in the same way it was in May and July. This image has the same odd tail, odd upper lip on the figure and odd left hand as May and July:

    Really feels as if no development of the AI has occurred since May. 

    Regards,

    Richard 

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  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 7,760
    edited November 4

    hands...  holding hands...

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  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,679

    Most impressive. Never seen the like before.

    Richard

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