G9F/G8F Size Difference

DarkElf

I am running DS 4.23.0.1 (the latest version) and I have noticed that when I load both a G9F and a G8F character into a scene, the G8F character looks HUGE compared to the G9F character. Is this normal or is there something strange going on here?

Starkdog

DarkElf,

Is this just with the base G8F/G9F, or is this with every character, regardless of generation?  You got any examples?  Also, check the "Currently Used" on the figures, as I recently had some weird overlapping morphs causing differnt type of distortion.

-Starkdog

Richard Haseltine

How huge? The default height has certainly been reduced for Genesis 9.

CES3D

I think that's normal.
In my environment as well, Genesis 9 Base is much smaller than Genesis 8 Base.
Ultimately, the default height of a character is up to the character's creator.

DarkElf

Starkdog, it seems to have been with about three of them so far.

I originally thought maybe it was because of individual character dimensions. But, the size difference so such that I find it unlikely.

Right now I am using TMA Fae for G9F.

DarkElf

CES3D said:

I think that's normal.
In my environment as well, Genesis 9 Base is much smaller than Genesis 8 Base.
Ultimately, the default height of a character is up to the character's creator.

Yup. That's about what I am seeing. So, I guess it is normal.

DarkElf

Richard Haseltine said:

How huge? The default height has certainly been reduced for Genesis 9.

Thanks Richard. Is there a specific ration difference?

kyoto kid

...I've noticed even what are supposed to be lithe or slender G8 characters are rather "heavy" in build when they are first loaded in and I often have to spend time morphing them to look like they appear in the promos.

gfdamron1

DarkElf said:

Richard Haseltine said:

How huge? The default height has certainly been reduced for Genesis 9.

Thanks Richard. Is there a specific ration difference?

I don't think there's a set ratio, I think it varies by what the PA envisioned for the character. 

Elor

DarkElf said:

Richard Haseltine said:

How huge? The default height has certainly been reduced for Genesis 9.

Thanks Richard. Is there a specific ration difference?

G8F is around 10cm taller than G9.

It can vary from character to character (most PAs will simply use G9 default height, letting users change the height of a character to their taste with the Proportion Height morph) and can vary between core figures in the same line:

• Olympia 9 is taller than G9, almost as tall as G8F while Olympia 8 is smaller than G8F and Olympia 9.
• Victoria 9 is the smallest Victoria, smaller than G9 and a couple of centimeters smaller than Victoria 8.1.
• Michael 9 is taller than G9, he is the same height than Michael 8.1 and both are shorter than Michael 8.

A couple of things to keep in mind:

• G9 core figures who are smaller or taller than G9 usually have a specific proportion morph to get to the advertised height, a morph active if you're loading the character preset, but you'll have to activate it yourself if you start from Genesis 9 Base, because dialing, as an example, Victoria 9 character morph will not activate her proportion morph, only her head and body morphs.
• Don't trust the height advertised on Daz Store, at least not without checking with people who bought the core figure your interested with: Daz had publisher wrong advertised heights a couple of time already (no idea if other measurements can also be wrong, height is the simplest to check by comparing two characters and discovering than the one supposedly 10 cm shorter than the other is actually a couple of centimeters taller ).

OrangeFalcon

Elor said:

DarkElf said:

Richard Haseltine said:

How huge? The default height has certainly been reduced for Genesis 9.

Thanks Richard. Is there a specific ration difference?

G8F is around 10cm taller than G9.

It can vary from character to character (most PAs will simply use G9 default height, letting users change the height of a character to their taste with the Proportion Height morph) and can vary between core figures in the same line:

• Olympia 9 is taller than G9, almost as tall as G8F while Olympia 8 is smaller than G8F and Olympia 9.
• Victoria 9 is the smallest Victoria, smaller than G9 and a couple of centimeters smaller than Victoria 8.1.
• Michael 9 is taller than G9, he is the same height than Michael 8.1 and both are shorter than Michael 8.

A couple of things to keep in mind:

• G9 core figures who are smaller or taller than G9 usually have a specific proportion morph to get to the advertised height, a morph active if you're loading the character preset, but you'll have to activate it yourself if you start from Genesis 9 Base, because dialing, as an example, Victoria 9 character morph will not activate her proportion morph, only her head and body morphs.
• Don't trust the height advertised on Daz Store, at least not without checking with people who bought the core figure your interested with: Daz had publisher wrong advertised heights a couple of time already (no idea if other measurements can also be wrong, height is the simplest to check by comparing two characters and discovering than the one supposedly 10 cm shorter than the other is actually a couple of centimeters taller ).

This is so true and happens way too often.  Sometimes they're quite accurate while at times we have the Ashley 9 Petite form situation.  It would be nice if the Daz Original products listed accurate heights as they're typically perceived as higher quality and should be presented as such.

With that said, it's really a superficial thing when you have height sliders, alternate forms, specific body part morphs, to make any model the size you really want.

DarkElf

Wow! Thanks for all the feedback. So, all said and done, it is not just me. Thanks everybody.

gfdamron1

Elor said:

DarkElf said:

Richard Haseltine said:

How huge? The default height has certainly been reduced for Genesis 9.

Thanks Richard. Is there a specific ration difference?

G8F is around 10cm taller than G9.

It can vary from character to character (most PAs will simply use G9 default height, letting users change the height of a character to their taste with the Proportion Height morph) and can vary between core figures in the same line:

• Olympia 9 is taller than G9, almost as tall as G8F while Olympia 8 is smaller than G8F and Olympia 9.
• Victoria 9 is the smallest Victoria, smaller than G9 and a couple of centimeters smaller than Victoria 8.1.
• Michael 9 is taller than G9, he is the same height than Michael 8.1 and both are shorter than Michael 8.

A couple of things to keep in mind:

• G9 core figures who are smaller or taller than G9 usually have a specific proportion morph to get to the advertised height, a morph active if you're loading the character preset, but you'll have to activate it yourself if you start from Genesis 9 Base, because dialing, as an example, Victoria 9 character morph will not activate her proportion morph, only her head and body morphs.
• Don't trust the height advertised on Daz Store, at least not without checking with people who bought the core figure your interested with: Daz had publisher wrong advertised heights a couple of time already (no idea if other measurements can also be wrong, height is the simplest to check by comparing two characters and discovering than the one supposedly 10 cm shorter than the other is actually a couple of centimeters taller ).

Thanks so much for the explanation about the character morphs and how they work in comparison to starting with the G9 Base. I'm going to pay more attention to this so I can at least start with what the PA intended.