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Santa hat Shaping issue

Halcon BlueskyHalcon Bluesky Posts: 517
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Hello Crosswind or anyone else.

I have bought this item "dForce HnC24 Santa Costume Outfits for Genesis 9" https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-hnc24-santa-costume-outfits-for-genesis-9

My problem is the hat shaping simillar to the promo picture.

Any ideas how to do that?

It happens there are no sliders for Shaping or how I can get that look.

With just 2 weeks away from Christmas time, I am sweating out the fat drop, I am running out of time and my patience is wearing thin to get my project done before the festive season.

Please, your help is needed!

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,403

    I don't own it. Maybe it is just dForce. Did you try simulating?

  • Halcon BlueskyHalcon Bluesky Posts: 517

    barbult I have no idea how to simulate it.

    When I try to add a Character, Clothing or accesories, I run the render, if I see something not right I stop it and try to fix it and run the render again until I am satisfied.

    Is a cumbersome procedure for me, unless there is something better to do the things more efficient.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,403
    You don't know how to simulate it? There are two videos linked in the product. The second one is a generic tutorial about dforce simulation. It should help you.
  • Halcon BlueskyHalcon Bluesky Posts: 517

    barbult I haven't had the time to look at it.

    I am in a frantic time looking to finish what I can and then rest.

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 7,287

    Ah, I don't have it either. As barbult said, try simulating it firstly (ss1). If it's not dForce ready, I'm afraid you have to deform it by user D-Former or Blender as I mentioned before...

  • felisfelis Posts: 4,464

    I don't have it either.

    My guess would also be simulation.

    But have you checked that the hat don't have bones you can use to bend it?

  • CES3DCES3D Posts: 80

    I have the product, so I checked it.
    The hat is a Prop. It doesn't have bones.
    It doesn't have morphs either.
    We can simulate it with dForce.

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  • Halcon BlueskyHalcon Bluesky Posts: 517

    Thanks guys for attending my query.

    So the hat is a prop? The author should have done it a clothing item not a prop! frown

    Deflating it will be an herculean task.

    CES3D I will try your suggestion.

    I am going to have zzzz, wake up refreshed and see what I can do.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,429

    Halcon Bluesky said:

    Thanks guys for attending my query.

    So the hat is a prop? The author should have done it a clothing item not a prop! frown

    Deflating it will be an herculean task.

    CES3D I will try your suggestion.

    I am going to have zzzz, wake up refreshed and see what I can do.

    Personally I'd always prefer hats as props it makes them much easier to use on other figures and to move about scale etc. Dforce is pretty straightforward to use. So I don't undertand why it will be a 'herculean task'. 

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 7,287

    So it's dForce ready, then just simulate it.

    Making it as a smart prop is much easier than rigging it as a figure... then the vendor didn't have to make lots of corrective morphs on it, so ~~devil

  • Halcon BlueskyHalcon Bluesky Posts: 517
    edited December 13

    crosswind Arrgggh! This simulation thing is getting me mad!

    Look at this mess, how I can get that hat properly in the head?

    I just loaded the hat, did some simulation, but I want to get it right, I saved that as Scene Preset and simulation preset or whatever.

    Give me a better easy to follow instruction how I can get this ok, for my sanity sake.

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  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 7,287
    edited December 13

    It's pretty vague to see what the hat looks like. Better just post a screenshot with Texture Shaded drawstyle. Again, I don't have this product, so I'm not able to give solid solution for this sort of issue.

    As per what it tells from this image, maybe you can select the hat, go to Surfaces pane, select the surface of the upper part (if there's any...), set Buckling Stiffness to 80%, Velocity Smoothing to 0.5, Velocity Smoothing Iterations to 3. Then simulate it again to see what will happen ...

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  • Halcon BlueskyHalcon Bluesky Posts: 517

    I will try later, I am in no good mood about this, I want to bash the computer!

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 7,287

    Haha, calm down and take it easy, my friend ~ You'll make it ! cheeky

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,403
    edited December 13

    If you can't make your chosen hat work, use a different hat. How about this one? It has a lot of adjustment pose controls. It even comes with a Santa Character. If you don't like the character, PARENT (not autofit) the hat to your character's HEAD bone. Then you can adjust it's position and size to fit just where you want it. In the attached screenshot, I parented the hat to Nikolai 9 HD's head bone.

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  • Halcon BlueskyHalcon Bluesky Posts: 517
    edited December 13

    barbult I got that character too, I made two renders. 

    Posing the caracter was an extreme pain, while Nikolai 9 HD has more freedom movements.

    I tried to fit the hat from the Genesis 3 version, I thought I got it!

    Then it went sour, after applying an standing pose bowing forward to give the present, I think the hat band broke free from the base.

    I will try your suggestion first, hope I can succed this time around or I will spray insect killer to the computer!

    Edit: How did you identified him as Nikolai 9 HD? the image is grainy when I stopped doing a test render, you have a good eyes!

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,403

    Halcon Bluesky said:

    barbult I got that character too, I made two renders. 

    Posing the caracter was an extreme pain, while Nikolai 9 HD has more freedom movements.

    I tried to fit the hat from the Genesis 3 version, I thought I got it!

    Then it went sour, after applying an standing pose bowing forward to give the present, I think the hat band broke free from the base.

    I will try your suggestion first, hope I can succed this time around or I will spray insect killer to the computer!

    Edit: How did you identified him as Nikolai 9 HD? the image is grainy when I stopped doing a test render, you have a good eyes!

    I didn't know what character you used. I just chose Nikolai, because he was the G9 Santa release. The trick is to parent the hat to his head, Don't try to autofit it from G3 to G9. When parented to his head bone, the hat and fur will move with his posing.

  • Halcon BlueskyHalcon Bluesky Posts: 517

    I have tried what you said, but the head fur goes out separated from its position, same happened me before and that was when the hat was autofitted to the character.

    I deleted the hat, I dont know if I can fit the fur prior to adding to the character?

    Any ideas of what kind of extra adjustments to do with the hat as the pose controls in your screenshot shows 0% in all sliders?

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,403

    Halcon Bluesky said:

    I have tried what you said, but the head fur goes out separated from its position, same happened me before and that was when the hat was autofitted to the character.

    I deleted the hat, I dont know if I can fit the fur prior to adding to the character?

    Any ideas of what kind of extra adjustments to do with the hat as the pose controls in your screenshot shows 0% in all sliders?

    The pose controls show 0%, because the hat loaded in the pose I showed. I didn't need any adjustments for that pose. When you pose your character, the hat may need some of those adjustments. There are a lot of adjustment options. You shouldn't have trouble adjusting the hat to go with your pose.

  • Halcon BlueskyHalcon Bluesky Posts: 517
    edited December 13

    barbult I am not sure about this, just choose the Santa Cap or the Santa Cap w Fur too?

    Look at the screenshot

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,403

    I used Santa Cap with Fur.

  • Halcon BlueskyHalcon Bluesky Posts: 517

    barbult I will try that, just to be safe, you said when loading the cap it must not use autofit, isn't?

    I tried it before and went rather extrange, not like when you have a Lego brick and you build with that frown

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,403
    edited December 14

    Halcon Bluesky said:

    barbult I will try that, just to be safe, you said when loading the cap it must not use autofit, isn't?

    I tried it before and went rather extrange, not like when you have a Lego brick and you build with that frown

    I repeat again: Do Not Autofit the hat to the G9 character!!!!!!! With NOTHING selected in the scene pane, load the hat with fur. Then parent it to G9 Head bone (not just to G9, but the head bone of G9). Then translate the hat with fur into position on G9 head. When you pose G9, the hat and fur will move with the G9 head.

    Edit to add: It is a lot easier to position the hat if you parent it to G9 head while G9 is in the default pose. Pose him after parenting the hat to his head bone.

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  • Halcon BlueskyHalcon Bluesky Posts: 517

    barbult I will do that later, I will have som e visit, this takes some time out of me to do the fittings in the scene.

    If everything goes well I hope its done the good way.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,403
    edited December 14

    Example

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  • Halcon BlueskyHalcon Bluesky Posts: 517

    barbult Hey your Santa Claus looks too good to be an Star! laugh

    After the visit I will work on my project, wish me luck!

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 7,287

    I got a pretty nice Christmas Suit from my PA friend incl. a nice Hat which has quite a few morphs for better fitting. Maybe you can consider it as well. wink https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-su-christmas-suit-for-genesis-9-81-and-8-female

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,403
    That looks nice, and Sue Yee products are top notch. It might be a good choice for a Santa cap, and it is for G9, so should fit well.
  • Halcon BlueskyHalcon Bluesky Posts: 517
    edited December 14

    Ok guys, thanks for your suggestions; I have bought that suit.

    I will work with that hat.

    And in this month alone, I spent more.

    I expect from Daz to give away a better present, a bundle, previously there were bundles included in the freebies, that choice is scarce nowdays.

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  • Halcon BlueskyHalcon Bluesky Posts: 517
    edited December 15

    crosswind, barbult Everything went ok, suddenly something extrange happended to me.

    I believe the culprit was the Simulations settings that were on, I had taken out the Simulations settings and another pane related that wwere making some kind of mischief on me.

    Also I had emptied the Cache in the Preferences.

    I am doing an heroic effort to get all the things in order, I am not a hero in underpants.

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