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  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,330

    barbult said:

    frank0314 said:

    barbult said:

    Yes, these forums have certainly jacked up Richard's post count and aged him prematurely. His hair is gray and getting thin on top. He can't see the computer screen without his cat rim glasses (thank you Laurie, @AllenArt). His jowls are sagging and he is a bit gaunt. He still has MOST of his teeth. But he is as smart and witty as ever. Richard is sure he would make fewer typos if he had a computer that was younger than he is - maybe one with a larger keyboard, appropriate for cat paws.

    It's a competition between us in our mod chat to see who can destroy the spelling of words the best. We know how to spell just fine, it's our figures that can't.

    Nobody can beat Richard at that game!  But hey, isn't that what the spell checker is for? Are you all too proud to use it? You have to use the SCAYT (whatever that means). It you click "Check Spelling", it will lock up and you will lose everything you typed.

    Yeah, I don't use the forum's spell check anymore. I have a plugin for Chrome that does it. "Check Spelling" does work occasionally.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,614

    ipad predictive text easiest and only thing I currently don't get the cookie popup on every page on

    at least on Safari

    hate even visiting the store on desktop thanks to that constant popup angry

    fixed it and had it break again too many time,only site that does it

  • NetherFalconNetherFalcon Posts: 570

    Richard's typos are both part of the charm and also a result of him running across the keyboard to give us quick responses.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,851

    barbult said:

    Yes, these forums have certainly jacked up Richard's post count and aged him prematurely. His hair is gray and getting thin on top. He can't see the computer screen without his cat rim glasses (thank you Laurie, @AllenArt). His jowls are sagging and he is a bit gaunt. He still has MOST of his teeth. But he is as smart and witty as ever. Richard is sure he would make fewer typos if he had a computer that was younger than he is - maybe one with a larger keyboard, appropriate for cat paws.

    Yes, I do need to upgrade - sadly that requires entering credit card details without any typos, which is askijng a bit much. Still, that is a pretty good likeness based on the limited information available (well, I hope it's based only on the limited information that is available).

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,851

    OrangeFalcon said:

    Richard's typos are both part of the charm and also a result of him running across the keyboard to give us quick responses.

    It is sad fact, and probably a reflection of actual chronological age, that I find typos much easier to spot on paper than on screen.

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,990

    Nice to see that even moderators manage to pull a thread into the off-topic area when they sink their claws into it

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,484

    Nicely derailed thread

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,647
    edited February 15

    This thread is actually about the fact that Daz has placed plugins, body shapes and other Daz content behind a rent-to-use paywall. There is concern this practice will continue and that Daz could place more and more plugins and other content behind the paywall as time goes on. We do not, of course, know what Daz will actually do. We must wait to see what happens.

    It is not a happy happy subject. frown

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,872

    Richard Haseltine said:

    barbult said:

    Yes, these forums have certainly jacked up Richard's post count and aged him prematurely. His hair is gray and getting thin on top. He can't see the computer screen without his cat rim glasses (thank you Laurie, @AllenArt). His jowls are sagging and he is a bit gaunt. He still has MOST of his teeth. But he is as smart and witty as ever. Richard is sure he would make fewer typos if he had a computer that was younger than he is - maybe one with a larger keyboard, appropriate for cat paws.

    Yes, I do need to upgrade - sadly that requires entering credit card details without any typos, which is askijng a bit much. Still, that is a pretty good likeness based on the limited information available (well, I hope it's based only on the limited information that is available).

    Any resemblance to actual cats or computers is entirely coincidental, as they say.

  • NetherFalconNetherFalcon Posts: 570
    edited February 15

    barbult said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    barbult said:

    Yes, these forums have certainly jacked up Richard's post count and aged him prematurely. His hair is gray and getting thin on top. He can't see the computer screen without his cat rim glasses (thank you Laurie, @AllenArt). His jowls are sagging and he is a bit gaunt. He still has MOST of his teeth. But he is as smart and witty as ever. Richard is sure he would make fewer typos if he had a computer that was younger than he is - maybe one with a larger keyboard, appropriate for cat paws.

    Yes, I do need to upgrade - sadly that requires entering credit card details without any typos, which is askijng a bit much. Still, that is a pretty good likeness based on the limited information available (well, I hope it's based only on the limited information that is available).

    Any resemblance to actual cats or computers is entirely coincidental, as they say.

    I like your render, barbult.  Here's a quick one I did-Richard at home, greyed from his experience, analyzing the world while his paws navigate the keyboard.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,851

    OrangeFalcon said:

    barbult said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    barbult said:

    Yes, these forums have certainly jacked up Richard's post count and aged him prematurely. His hair is gray and getting thin on top. He can't see the computer screen without his cat rim glasses (thank you Laurie, @AllenArt). His jowls are sagging and he is a bit gaunt. He still has MOST of his teeth. But he is as smart and witty as ever. Richard is sure he would make fewer typos if he had a computer that was younger than he is - maybe one with a larger keyboard, appropriate for cat paws.

    Yes, I do need to upgrade - sadly that requires entering credit card details without any typos, which is askijng a bit much. Still, that is a pretty good likeness based on the limited information available (well, I hope it's based only on the limited information that is available).

    Any resemblance to actual cats or computers is entirely coincidental, as they say.

    I like your render, barbult.  Here's a quick one I did-Richard at home, greyed from his experience, analyzing the world while his paws navigate the keyboard.

    That has a touch of "Welcome, Mr Bond, we have ben expecting you." I'm pretty sure my real home fails all measures for a supervillain hide-out.

  • NetherFalconNetherFalcon Posts: 570

    Richard Haseltine said:

    OrangeFalcon said:

    barbult said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    barbult said:

    Yes, these forums have certainly jacked up Richard's post count and aged him prematurely. His hair is gray and getting thin on top. He can't see the computer screen without his cat rim glasses (thank you Laurie, @AllenArt). His jowls are sagging and he is a bit gaunt. He still has MOST of his teeth. But he is as smart and witty as ever. Richard is sure he would make fewer typos if he had a computer that was younger than he is - maybe one with a larger keyboard, appropriate for cat paws.

    Yes, I do need to upgrade - sadly that requires entering credit card details without any typos, which is askijng a bit much. Still, that is a pretty good likeness based on the limited information available (well, I hope it's based only on the limited information that is available).

    Any resemblance to actual cats or computers is entirely coincidental, as they say.

    I like your render, barbult.  Here's a quick one I did-Richard at home, greyed from his experience, analyzing the world while his paws navigate the keyboard.

    That has a touch of "Welcome, Mr Bond, we have ben expecting you." I'm pretty sure my real home fails all measures for a supervillain hide-out.

     Oh I would have loved to have an aquarium of exotic, dangerous fish nearby.  Good for the bond villain aesthetic as well as an occasional snack.  Win/win. 

  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 2,904

    The renders are super cute for sure, but the actual subject of the thread was really interesting. So I'll get back to that if I may.

    The main thing with subscriptions, in my view, is this: companies (I'm not saying DAZ, mind) could easily offer different models alongside each other, like a subscription and a pay once model where maybe the price is a bit higher. The one thing - subscriptions - is more profitable for the company, the other - pay once -  more so for many customers. Which is why customers keep asking for this second method to return across all kinds of digital goods genres. A company which knows this and which values its customers' interests besides its own would naturally offer both. Vice versa, if the company positively knows customers would also like this second model, and doesn't offer it, this tells me personally that there is only one exclusive interest on that company's virtual mind. And it's not the customer's.

    That is not a happy situation for the customers. And it doesn't bode well for future developments. 

    Yes, I know DAZ's business model is quite different from, say, a game company's. The question that's been staring at me for a while now though is: Does DAZ still know this?

  • NetherFalconNetherFalcon Posts: 570

    tsroemi said:

    The renders are super cute for sure, but the actual subject of the thread was really interesting. So I'll get back to that if I may.

    The main thing with subscriptions, in my view, is this: companies (I'm not saying DAZ, mind) could easily offer different models alongside each other, like a subscription and a pay once model where maybe the price is a bit higher. The one thing - subscriptions - is more profitable for the company, the other - pay once -  more so for many customers. Which is why customers keep asking for this second method to return across all kinds of digital goods genres. A company which knows this and which values its customers' interests besides its own would naturally offer both. Vice versa, if the company positively knows customers would also like this second model, and doesn't offer it, this tells me personally that there is only one exclusive interest on that company's virtual mind. And it's not the customer's.

    That is not a happy situation for the customers. And it doesn't bode well for future developments. 

    Yes, I know DAZ's business model is quite different from, say, a game company's. The question that's been staring at me for a while now though is: Does DAZ still know this?

    Thanks for the feedback on the render!

    I agree that, generally, the model of going subscription based is much more beneficial to the company over the consumer.  I think they should remove the Premier-only content as to help alleviate the stigma it's generated from day one.  I hope Daz understands this, but I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing and if one day they announce a subscription is required, I'll see the entire deal and make a decision.  It really comes down to value; if we had a required subscription, but the prices across the board were greatly reduced, that might not be such a bad thing.  There's really no way around it-they would have to do something like that to have subscriptions.

    We just don't have any information about what the plans (if any) there are for that, so I'm not having it affect me as I can't control it.  I have enough stress going and I'm going pretty grey as a result of it.  O_O

  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 2,904
    edited February 15

    OrangeFalcon said:

    tsroemi said:

    The renders are super cute for sure, but the actual subject of the thread was really interesting. So I'll get back to that if I may.

    The main thing with subscriptions, in my view, is this: companies (I'm not saying DAZ, mind) could easily offer different models alongside each other, like a subscription and a pay once model where maybe the price is a bit higher. The one thing - subscriptions - is more profitable for the company, the other - pay once -  more so for many customers. Which is why customers keep asking for this second method to return across all kinds of digital goods genres. A company which knows this and which values its customers' interests besides its own would naturally offer both. Vice versa, if the company positively knows customers would also like this second model, and doesn't offer it, this tells me personally that there is only one exclusive interest on that company's virtual mind. And it's not the customer's.

    That is not a happy situation for the customers. And it doesn't bode well for future developments. 

    Yes, I know DAZ's business model is quite different from, say, a game company's. The question that's been staring at me for a while now though is: Does DAZ still know this?

    Thanks for the feedback on the render!

    I agree that, generally, the model of going subscription based is much more beneficial to the company over the consumer.  I think they should remove the Premier-only content as to help alleviate the stigma it's generated from day one.  I hope Daz understands this, but I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing and if one day they announce a subscription is required, I'll see the entire deal and make a decision.  It really comes down to value; if we had a required subscription, but the prices across the board were greatly reduced, that might not be such a bad thing.  There's really no way around it-they would have to do something like that to have subscriptions.

    We just don't have any information about what the plans (if any) there are for that, so I'm not having it affect me as I can't control it.  I have enough stress going and I'm going pretty grey as a result of it.  O_O

    I feel you, especially in that last paragraph - it's really really hard to keep stress at harmless levels these days!
    The thing is though, all these money-related issues we can change. By discussing them, and letting companies know about our feelings, and then choosing which companies to support by buying from them. Unfortunately, for this to work, one has to engage with potentially stressful stuff. It's a bummer really, but can't be helped, lest we do lose all control we have. Again, my personal take, obviously.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,851

    tsroemi said:

    OrangeFalcon said:

    tsroemi said:

    The renders are super cute for sure, but the actual subject of the thread was really interesting. So I'll get back to that if I may.

    The main thing with subscriptions, in my view, is this: companies (I'm not saying DAZ, mind) could easily offer different models alongside each other, like a subscription and a pay once model where maybe the price is a bit higher. The one thing - subscriptions - is more profitable for the company, the other - pay once -  more so for many customers. Which is why customers keep asking for this second method to return across all kinds of digital goods genres. A company which knows this and which values its customers' interests besides its own would naturally offer both. Vice versa, if the company positively knows customers would also like this second model, and doesn't offer it, this tells me personally that there is only one exclusive interest on that company's virtual mind. And it's not the customer's.

    That is not a happy situation for the customers. And it doesn't bode well for future developments. 

    Yes, I know DAZ's business model is quite different from, say, a game company's. The question that's been staring at me for a while now though is: Does DAZ still know this?

    Thanks for the feedback on the render!

    I agree that, generally, the model of going subscription based is much more beneficial to the company over the consumer.  I think they should remove the Premier-only content as to help alleviate the stigma it's generated from day one.  I hope Daz understands this, but I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing and if one day they announce a subscription is required, I'll see the entire deal and make a decision.  It really comes down to value; if we had a required subscription, but the prices across the board were greatly reduced, that might not be such a bad thing.  There's really no way around it-they would have to do something like that to have subscriptions.

    We just don't have any information about what the plans (if any) there are for that, so I'm not having it affect me as I can't control it.  I have enough stress going and I'm going pretty grey as a result of it.  O_O

    I feel you, especially in that last paragraph - it's really really hard to keep stress at harmless levels these days!
    The thing is though, all these money-related issues we can change. By discussing them, and letting companies know about our feelings, and then choosing which companies to support by buying from them. Unfortunately, for this to work, one has to engage with potentially stressful stuff. It's a bummer really, but can't be helped, lest we do lose all control we have. Again, my personal take, obviously.

    I've seen several applicatios/suites switch to a subcription model and although some of us are unhappy it seems that the majority do actually like the easy entry point (which doesn't, of course, apply with a free application like Daz Studio). We need to be wary of assuming our strongly-felt preferences are the norm (see also: male content, low heeled shoes, historically-accurate clothing and props, and so on).

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,518

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    ipad predictive text easiest and only thing I currently don't get the cookie popup on every page on

    at least on Safari

    hate even visiting the store on desktop thanks to that constant popup angry

    fixed it and had it break again too many time,only site that does it

    I'm constantly getting it too no matter what I click - accept, preferances - accept or decline all it keeps popping up been few days now gives me a headache and stresses me out which I suffer from a lot

  • ThetaGraphicsThetaGraphics Posts: 50

    So, I own the original 3rd party version of MeshGrabber, but DAZ doesn't seem to be detecting it anymore...?  frown  Does it need to be installed in a different way than DIM now to work or something?

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,851

    It shouldn't make any differnce.

  • 3DSaga3DSaga Posts: 490

    I have DS 4.23; is the Mesh Grabber tool that shows up in "Tools" the same one that I bought? It isn't a big deal to me as I found that tool almost as frustrating as what I was trying to correct.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,851

    Yes, the new, Premier-only one is called Geometry Sculptor.

  • ThetaGraphicsThetaGraphics Posts: 50

    I'm not seeing MeshGrabber in the "Tools" menu (or even the plugin list) but DIM claims its installed?  frown

  • NetherFalconNetherFalcon Posts: 570

    ThetaGraphics said:

    I'm not seeing MeshGrabber in the "Tools" menu (or even the plugin list) but DIM claims its installed?  frown

    Go under tools and it should be at the very bottom of your dropdown list, called Geometry Sculptor. 

  • ThetaGraphicsThetaGraphics Posts: 50
    edited March 2

    NetherFalcon said:

    ThetaGraphics said:

    I'm not seeing MeshGrabber in the "Tools" menu (or even the plugin list) but DIM claims its installed?  frown

    Go under tools and it should be at the very bottom of your dropdown list, called Geometry Sculptor. 

    Nope.  (I'm not Premier+ by the way, but from what I've been reading, those who bought the tools before Premier+ should still be able to use them?)

    Haven't actually tried uninstalling/reinstalling MeshGrabber yet, come to think of it, so maybe that'll work...

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  • ThetaGraphicsThetaGraphics Posts: 50

    Yep, reinstalling it did the trick.  Its showing up now.  laugh Thanks for the responses at least!  lol

  • SofaCitizenSofaCitizen Posts: 1,969

    ThetaGraphics said:

    Yep, reinstalling it did the trick.  Its showing up now.  laugh Thanks for the responses at least!  lol

    Not sure if it's relevant but have you perhaps started using the beta over the regular version since you installed the plugin? If you installed the beta after installing Mesh Grabber plugin then DIM would only have been able to install it into the standard application path since the beta path would not have existed at the time. This would explain why a re-install fixed it since DIM would have detected at that point that it needed to be installed into two locations.

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