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How about a competition ... Let's have some fun ... MAKE A BULLDOG!

patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
edited December 1969 in Hexagon Discussion

A nice normal looking bulldog. [there's already 'nuf monster types out there].

Like this one: http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/realistic-bulldog-3d-model/534376

I don't own Max or I would have bought that.

This is a 'for fun' NO money involved type competition. Can display wip in the thread ... we can all learn some tips and tricks hopefully ... and flood the world with BULLDOGS!

The English Bulldog OR the Old English Bulldogge types are the goal. Not the American edition for this time. ty

hmmm ... need a deadline eh. Well, better be before Dec 21 ... How about the end of October so we have about a month or so to play with them ;-) [and make all those seasonally gift cards for Dec!]

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,179
    edited December 1969

    it is in obj annd 3ds too btw (Hexagon does 3ds import)

  • patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
    edited December 1969

    wendy♥catz said:
    it is in obj annd 3ds too btw (Hexagon does 3ds import)

    Thank you Wendy. I did notice that. Also experienced enough to know that not all .obj files are created equal ... as in might not load/work in/be useable with Hexagon ...

    And given the lack thereof of one of the most beautiful dogs in the world ... think, "man created this thing" ... "what was man thinking" ... hay! It's a treasure ... I think the 3d world could use like a zillion models of these available.

    So, how are you starting your mesh? Sphere or Cube? Or ...?

  • RoygeeRoygee Posts: 2,247
    edited December 1969

    By co-incidence I've just completed rigging this puppy - a bulldog will be fun to do - should be plenty of ref pics out there.

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,179
    edited December 1969

    I could not even model a bulldog clip! :roll:

  • patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
    edited December 1969

    Roygee said:
    By co-incidence I've just completed rigging this puppy - a bulldog will be fun to do - should be plenty of ref pics out there.

    Awesome. Yes there are, lots of cute pictures too on the breeder websites -- just everybody has to watch the copyrights with those images. Bulldog breeders tend to guard them ;-) And many of their customers for some reason, are judges and lawyers. [could be that price tag]

    Anyhow ... having owned a couple in my time, looking forward to this.
    And while I've tried to model one, for some reason communication between image in mind and what appears in Hexagon hasn't been very good so far.

    That's a not-too-subtle hint that people are welcome to also post 'how to' tips. Acquire bonus points :-)

  • patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
    edited December 1969

    wendy♥catz said:
    I could not even model a bulldog clip! :roll:

    Have Hexagon? There are these 'sculpties' in there for a sphere and a cylinder ... easy dog bones!

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  • patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
    edited September 2012

    Free pictures in the morgue file:

    http://www.morguefile.com/archive/browse/#/?qury=bulldog&terms_all=bulldog

    Not all of those pictures are of English Bulldogs ... there's a clip there too lol ...

    On a quick check, do not use the images in a 'stand alone manner'

    So click here for a standing bulldog http://www.morguefile.com/archive/display/743160

    Click here for their oft used "there he/she goes, telling me what to do again look" http://www.morguefile.com/archive/display/204660
    [bulldogs are notoriously stubborn]

    And the "wide awake and alert [for food] pose" http://www.morguefile.com/archive/display/743148

    And the "bulldog clip" for Wendy ;-) http://www.morguefile.com/archive/display/164700

    Face closeup http://www.morguefile.com/archive/display/743157

    Side angle view, note corkscrew tail http://www.morguefile.com/archive/display/552270

    Not all have their tails quite so curly; but all are 'short' and if straight are to be angled down.

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  • RoygeeRoygee Posts: 2,247
    edited December 1969

    Very nice pics there, thanks, Patience.

    Same problem I always have with animals - never any proper profile pics. I'll just have to compensate for perspective.

    In the meantime, here's one especially for Wendy:)

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  • RoygeeRoygee Posts: 2,247
    edited December 1969

    OK - I've made a start!

    This is about the best profile pic I can find. Firstly outlined the image so as to get the overall proportions right. Next step is to detach the parts so I can start giving it some depth. The main problem with only having one ref pic to work from is that, if not careful, I can end up with a square model. I have edge loops running right across the length and down the centre of the legs to be anchor points for rounding it out and so that after I've given the body, legs head etc. some rounded depth, there are matching points to re-attach.

    I'm already thinking animation, so already have edges where the bends will be made.

    Be interesting to see what approaches others take;-)

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  • RoygeeRoygee Posts: 2,247
    edited December 1969

    Right - now I have the basic shape and no danger of getting a square model, the work begins - but the weekend beckons;-)

    I don't do realistic - this will be a cartoon character - very different to what it looks like now

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,179
    edited December 1969

    lol! looking forward to what you guys make!
    there is this one! if you have the money and preferably Maya for the fur!! %-P

  • m_m_italym_m_italy Posts: 386
    edited December 1969

    Ottimo.
    I love bull-dog
    Ciao

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,179
    edited September 2012

    the less said about my Sculptris/Carrara effort uhmm :red:
    (slinks off to the Carrara forum, I rigged and animated the thihg too!)
    http://youtu.be/5hR1f9Cv2D4

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  • patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
    edited December 1969

    Roygee said:
    OK - I've made a start!

    This is about the best profile pic I can find. Firstly outlined the image so as to get the overall proportions right. Next step is to detach the parts so I can start giving it some depth. The main problem with only having one ref pic to work from is that, if not careful, I can end up with a square model. I have edge loops running right across the length and down the centre of the legs to be anchor points for rounding it out and so that after I've given the body, legs head etc. some rounded depth, there are matching points to re-attach.

    I'm already thinking animation, so already have edges where the bends will be made.

    Be interesting to see what approaches others take;-)

    1st Point goes to Roygee! Nice start :-)

  • patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
    edited December 1969

    wendy♥catz said:
    lol! looking forward to what you guys make!
    there is this one! if you have the money and preferably Maya for the fur!! %-P

    Yes that is a nice example of what can be done - for that kind of money sure hope its snores too!

  • patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
    edited December 1969

    wendy♥catz said:
    the less said about my Sculptris/Carrara effort uhmm :red:
    (slinks off to the Carrara forum, I rigged and animated the thihg too!)
    http://youtu.be/5hR1f9Cv2D4

    If you shortened the front legs [as in cut off below the knee] that would be a better length. They are a short legged breed. And can't say that I have ever seen them dance like that in my entire life! "Bulldog stance" is about as active they feel the need to be.

  • patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
    edited September 2012

    A few more reference links for anyone interested.

    First, found this link for what appears to be a free utility:

    http://www.sketchbook.com/express free

    Back to topic.

    Okay ... scroll down abit and there's a skull of the English Bulldog found here:
    http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/dogs.html

    http://www.skullsunlimited.com/record_variant.php?id=3310 English bulldog head female

    http://www.skullsunlimited.com/record_variant.php?id=3309 English bulldog head male

    btw - these sites have LOTS of skeletons for many creatures.

    For animation reference pics, here's an active bulldog! :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQzUsTFqtW0

    http://chrismroman.blogspot.ca/2011/11/english-bulldog-anatomy-study.html

    http://evasion.imag.fr/Membres/Franck.Hetroy/Projects/Skeleton/gallery.html

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  • RoygeeRoygee Posts: 2,247
    edited December 1969

    Great references there, thanks, patience. Made some progress, but will have to re-think the dewlaps.::)

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  • patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
    edited September 2012

    Coming along nicely [and better than mine lol ..]
    The bulldog is an interesting build for sure.

    Another link;

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Book-Bulldog-Joan-McDonald-Brearley/dp/0866220275 shows the front wider than the back end.
    The book has some 'click to view' pages showing more front and faces!


    Build-wise they make great footstools, not for putting your feet on, but for falling over! Not a dog to take jogging. Aside from the fact that they do not have that kind of energy and overheat unbelievably fast; they will turn and 'stand' lengthwise in front of you [like a footstool] to stop you [herding method]. They have their ways! lol ...

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  • RoygeeRoygee Posts: 2,247
    edited December 1969

    Hey, the cover of the book has solved a couple of mysteries on how to proceed with the head!

    let's have a look at your WIP - love to see how others tackle this very interesting modelling challenge.

  • m_m_italym_m_italy Posts: 386
    edited December 1969

    :-)

    Sorry for O.T.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98mCq7CbZvU

  • RoygeeRoygee Posts: 2,247
    edited December 1969

    All done :)

    I'll do the wrinkles after UV mapping and another smoothing level and make the ears floppy with rigging.

    Cheers

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  • patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
    edited December 1969

    Roygee said:
    All done :)

    I'll do the wrinkles after UV mapping and another smoothing level and make the ears floppy with rigging.

    Cheers

    Nice.

    And yes I'll post some pics too ... hoping more people join in too. Whole month to go ... the more the merrier!

  • patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
    edited December 1969

    m_m_italy said:
    :-)

    Sorry for O.T.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98mCq7CbZvU

    Bulldog clips are always welcome! thank you :-)

    That's a LONG walk across the bed, so cute. They do that.

  • KerynaKeryna Posts: 101
    edited December 1969

    Cracking bulldog model, Roygee! Looking rather fine already.

  • KerynaKeryna Posts: 101
    edited September 2012

    And WendyCatz- your rapid bulldog animation is a real eyeopener! Top points for diving in to a quite daunting (TO ME) modelling project, and giving us a chuckle too. I loved those bulldog moves.

    I think youve started a whole new trend here - blitzmodelling ?- We should start it as a new game. We could have 1, 2,5,and or10 minute blitzmodellng categories - subject could be anything goes? or we could have subjects like this bulldog. Then the person with the most creative model AND animations that it can do, gets a noddy badge (or some agreed prize). Kind of a modelling variation on speed chess? Hey, it could be come a 3D world craze!

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  • patience55patience55 Posts: 7,006
    edited December 1969

    Have made a few starts at this ... we'll see how far this one goes. Trying a slightly different approach which I plan to combine in with the more traditional one afterwards.

    The "one thing" i can make well ... 'cause who can't, it comes with the program, "the eyeball".
    However one is modeling their bulldog, they will want the eyes to be kept as separate groups so they can be rigged later.

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  • m_m_italym_m_italy Posts: 386
    edited December 1969

    Roygee said:
    All done :)

    I'll do the wrinkles after UV mapping and another smoothing level and make the ears floppy with rigging.

    Cheers

    Ottimo!
    Bravo.

  • m_m_italym_m_italy Posts: 386
    edited December 1969

    Patience55 said:
    m_m_italy said:
    :-)

    Sorry for O.T.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98mCq7CbZvU

    Bulldog clips are always welcome! thank you :-)

    That's a LONG walk across the bed, so cute. They do that.

    Yes

    :-)

  • contact66contact66 Posts: 2
    edited December 1969

    Hi everyone. This looks very interesting, I may even give it a go if I have time. Looks like some of you are off to a good start already.

    Danny.

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