Real male content
tdc
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As of late, I have been overwhelmingly discouraged with Daz content. Currently, if you look at the shop at the current state it is made up of 87% female 10% scene and 3% male (not science or math - just a point). If you look through the filters you can see Genesis Female at 1431 items and Genesis Male at 347. Then when there is a good male set of clothing, it normally fits like it would on a woman which is for me, highly disturbing. I picked Daz3d to help with underdrawing for a graphic novel I'm working on. I thought this program would save me time and money. I have spent more money then if I were to just start using 3dmax or ZBrush again. I think I could have purchased both with the amount of money I dropped. Yet every day I come and look for simple garments for men and find nothing usable. The women's clothing look and fit well while the men seem to be done quickly. Shirts fit like skin tight, wrinkle free silk. I get why the female products sell. Especially after seeing some of the getups.
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Completely frustrated.
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Unfortunately your post is very subjective. However if you have access to zbrush you are able to use the clothing as a base and make the necessary adjustments you want to the clothing. I think that's the only option is available to you for the foreseeable future.
I have several free everyday male items on my website if you are interested.
See link below.
Dear: tdcsurfer I share your frustation. Lately I have been suspicious of some clothing since it seems designed for female characters. I won't mention any names but there was one suit that clearly had a female looking pelvic area as there was absolutely no place for the man's bodyparts to fit. It is a suit made for a man too.
There are of course numerous clingy tops which probably look better on women than men, and clothing without adjustment morphs. (I would've loved the new released army shirt to not cling to the man's pecs like it was cleavage).
Sadly, this is the way of men's clothing here at DAZ.
The good news, if there is any, is that you can use female content on men's characters, and there are a few things that you can do to make clothing look better with adjustment morphs and other packages like fit control. You can also fit old clothign on the guys...
Unfortunately, none of that really addresses the fact that clothing for gen 7 males is meager, and just as you described.
Male-M3dia "very subjective" I don think so. Not in the least. Although I've stated that my math may be off - it is quite clear that when you filter products, the female products outweigh the male products 3 to 1 at best. For Genesis 2 female, the options for male are half that. Plus, many of the male options are counted as "creatures" or poses which include female characters. One shouldn't have to depend on using ZBrush or Blender to fix this problem. If I wanted to depend on ZBrush, why even use Daz3D to begin with? I thought, and it's true, that Daz would be easier and faster. It is.
Serene Night It's not that I want to add an enormous bulge - If I may be crass - but I do expect them to look male. I want clothing to accommodate a groin area that isn't fixed to the pelvis like it should a woman. It's disturbing at best. All I want to do is have a few items of clothing that drape properly and fit a male character. Figures that do have "gen morphs" often get over exaggerated. It's more understandable when you see the amount of attention for a product like this for a female.
http://www.daz3d.com/linley-outfit-for-genesis-3-female-s
Linley Dress:
and when you get a set for a male, you get
http://www.daz3d.com/biker-bandit-for-genesis-3-male-s
Pants
This is not subjective - but clearly observational.
I also don't want to be accused of a strawman argument. Clearly this isn't always the case. It doesn't have to be when you are offered so much less on male figures than female figures.
While I do agree that the amount of male clothing is lacking, your comparison is unfair to be honest.
You are compairing a loose, full body outfit to a restrictetd (even loose-fitting pants in real life) half-body outfit.
So, to be fair, you would have to remove all upper body morphs as well as movement morphs on the dress. Actually, it would probably be best to just find a pair of female pants and compair.
But as I said, there definately is a lack of varying good male clothing. The Dyn_Creator script from over at rendo should help male clothes look better but that's only if you can get it to work on the item you want (I've had a number of cases where it won't convert an item and I have no clue why) and I just read that the script is having problems on the newest Daz update (which I'm really hoping is a fluke on their system and not that Daz update broke the script)
Here's a good bit of news, there's programs here that can help fit M4 clothing along the gen 5-6 path towards Genesis 3 male just check my sig for the links, plus M4 clothing are much cheaper!
Hope this helps!
I agree actually. This is what I mean. If the pelvis area looks like there is nothing down there at all or it is flush to the hip bone or designed 'high' like it would be on a lady it can look very uncanny very fast. Although, I have no objection to a little bulge morph either.
No, the subjective part is how you think the clothing fits. However, as I said if you feel the clothing doesn't have the look you want, as you have a copy of Zbrush it is simply no effort to modify them to your liking. That's what I do as well. Several years into this discussion, this is really going to be your only option. As thin as the profit margins are on male products, you're simply not going to get everything the female products get, and boycotting those items will only shrink the amount of products available further. It is what it is.
Male-M3dia I would like to level set. Reel this back in. I never said anything about boycotting the purchase of male clothing. I'm actually trying to do the opposite and ask for more. I don't know if you speak on behalf of Daz, but if you do. Your answer is unsatisfactory. The fact that male figures and their clothing are not profitable says a lot about the true intention and target audience of Daz3d. You invested in a program that will never listen to your needs or wants unless I request something that fits a female figure. If there was more offered I wonder if more would purchase. Like me, I am frustrated with the quality when compared to female figures. I would go out on a limb and say, I am not the only one who feels this way. I am put off by how Daz and its representatives just push me off to using another program to fix an issue such as this. My question is, why did I pick Daz to begin with? What is Daz really used for? Was this software never intended to be serious?
At any rate, you can't boycott what isn't available to purchase in the first place. Which is sort of ironic, not being able to have any choice in male figure clothing, causes purchases to slow which causes people not to purchase which causes the selection to shrink which causes more people, not to purchases which will cause less of a selection... and so on... and so on...
I use Daz as a means for continuity, sort of like an extreme wooden posing figure in which I do an overdraw and hand draw whatever I can't place on my figure. Like what I did in my avatar or gallery posts. But clothing takes a lot of time - time I wish I could cut in half at best.
It's not just the DAZ/Poser universe, though; I've done PC Game modding, and some of the most popular game mods are focused on the female. I could point you at one site that hosts mods for a number of PC games and you would find numbers that are stacked in favor of the female characters with regards to outfits and such, if you want.
I've been working my way through a large back-log of G3F clothing. A lot of that doesn't have many morphs, sometimes nothing more than expand All (if that) - even skirts may rely on the rigging alone. Items that drape naturally, that don't cling (to limgs or breasts or pecs) are a lot fo work to create and are relatively rare (but not unavailable) for either sex - though unsurprisingly, given all the extra morphs needed, they do tend to be at the pricier end of the market.
Richard Haseltine I would be happy to pay extra for male clothing that is crafted well. Oddly, I've been looking for a simple loincloth for Genesis 3 male - trying to work in blender but there is a reason why it's free. Doesn't export well and I am unable to find tutorials that show how to create clothing for Daz AND save it so you can actually place it on your figure properly.
Thank you Wendy for all the free things that you do. We really appreciate you!
I find it odd how the gaming community always comes up when we discuss the lack of male figures and accessories, when the majority of protagonists in gaming tend to be male characters and while that is changing, it's clearly been the case for the majority of the time that gaming has been popular.
Not games in general, but PC Games that can be modified by the user community; if there are female characters in the games, including the option to create a female protagonist, you will find a disproportionate number of mods that cater to that gender. I've been playing games for nearly 20 years, and have seen it firsthand.
I once asked my husband why he always makes a female character in his games. His answer is pretty much that he rather look at a hot chick in a thong than a dude for 40 hour plus game play.
Yup. That pretty much nails it.
If I am playing a light role playing game, I will pick a female every time. If I'm going to be playing a game for 20 or more hours, I want something nice to look at.
In some heavy role playing games I have been known to pick males.
It depends on the game actually. Some games have completely different options for males and females. Completely different styles of play. With those I tend to have a male avatar. For games that don't change the style of play based on your avatar, I will always pick a hot female. :)
A look at my Guild Wars characters for instance shows around 75 to 80 percent of them are female. I enjoy playing a massive bull in a china shop male warrior for instance. I also enjoy playing buff male priests. And I do have one male rogue that I love. I decided to make Jack of Harts from my writing as a rogue and he is FUN to play. Hehehe.
But almost all of my casters and other lighter combatants are female. And the character I have played more than any other in both Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2 is my female fire elementalist who I have played for literal thousands of hours starting with the original Guild Wars beta.
Most male players use a female toon.