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Daz has just pushed out an initial release of the install manager
Okay, you lost me there.
Just a joke, trying to lighten the mood a bit. It's a parody of the Wedding Scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
ah, its been too long since I've seen that movie. Now I'm off to defend my shrubbery!
Ni!
My USEFUL and REASONABLE reply (if I do say so myself) which was DELETED.... :blank:
said something like:
1) DAZ's undesputed forte is content. Their pinnacle product to date is Genesis - a figure that is so advanced it requires ALL of the poserverse to be retooled. (However, it is retrocompatable with DAZ's catalog of figures and clothes, so it's not just the "new" figure, it's the "new figure that renews all the old figures"...)
2) DAZ's obvious strategy with CARRARA is to leverage what they are best at (see above). That *is* the best strategy for DAZ....
It may not be our favorite choice and it is not what Maya is doing, or Blender.... (see definition of "strategy" for further discussion)
but there is no way DAZ will ever be in step with the industry leaders in dynamic liquid simulations or atmospheric dispersion, etc etc. We've recently gained animated OBJ in/out and MDD in/out via plugins so rather than DUPLICATING everything a free program can do..., or DUPLICATING everything a $3000 program can do..., we have better round-robin access to the specialized features of other programs -- that's the next best thing to a plugin (sometimes better)....
Meanwhile speaking of plugins we currently have at least FIVE active plugin developers who have released updates or entirely new plugins in the last year.... Just sayin'
Very good pig county is Utah, with huge tracks of land ;)
And for s**ts and giggles
Daz_Dev: Bring out your dead!
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Bring out your dead!
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doomsayer: Here's one -- nine pence.
Carrara: I'm not dead!
Daz_Dev: What?
doomsayer: Nothing -- here's your nine pence.
Carrara: I'm not dead!
Daz_Dev: Here -- he says he's not dead!
doomsayer: Yes, he is.
Carrara: I'm not!
Daz_Dev: He isn't.
doomsayer: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.
Carrara: I'm getting better!
doomsayer: No, you're not -- you'll be stone dead in a moment.
Daz_Dev: Oh, I can't take him like that -- it's against regulations.
Carrara: I don't want to go in the cart!
doomsayer: Oh, don't be such a baby.
Daz_Dev: I can't take him...
Carrara: I feel fine!
doomsayer: Oh, do us a favor...
Daz_Dev: I can't.
doomsayer: Well, can you hang around a couple of minutes? He won't
be long.
Daz_Dev: Naaah, I got to go on to Robinson's -- they've lost nine
today.
doomsayer: Well, when is your next round?
Daz_Dev: Daz Soon
Carrara: I think I'll go for a walk.
doomsayer: You're not fooling anyone y'know. Look, isn't there
something you can do?
Carrara: I feel happy... I feel happy.
[whop]
doomsayer: Ah, thanks very much.
Daz_Dev: Not at all.
doomsayer: Right.
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Ok, this is veering more off-topic than I'd planned, but that whole movie has metaphors that can be applied to things in life. Even just that one scene like where the father talks about being told he was daft for building a castle in a swamp, but he did it anyway. Then it fell into the swamp. So he built another. And it fell into the swamp. Then he built a third .. it burned down then fell into the swamp, but the fourth one .. that stood up!
Can't tell you how many software projects I've been part of that could be described in those terms. :)
I started this thread asking questions as I have been away from Daz and 3D in general due to real life/illness issues, and was surprised at some of the things I have been hearing elsewhere and wanted to hear it from the horses mouth as it were, but as usual it goes off-topic or gets hijacked :/
I'm not sure who or what you are responding to as "blinders with rose colored lenses". Could you be more specific? If it was in response to my post are you disputing the facts (that Daz has continued to develop Carrara despite vocal doomsayers)?
Or are you just offering up opinion, such as I did when I opined that it only makes sense for Daz to release an upgrade -- for which they will be paid -- that they have already sunk considerable resources into? Opinions are great, everyone has them. But not everyone's opinion is appreciated in the sharing. I take it you do not appreciate some of the opinions voiced here?
Oh I have no issues with the opinions being expressed here, I have issues with not being able to post counter opinions. In my opinion many of the opinions being posted are far too optimistic, but then you can't actual post anything pessimistic; unless you are joemomma, with out the post being pulled. What this means is what you read on the forum is all one sided, because the other side can't be presented.
Opinions are one thing Unfounded speculation presented as fact is something different.
You note we even allow bad parodies of Monty Python sketches.
Yes, but only when it supports the optimistic views.
I will also point out I have been right in my "unfounded speculations" 11 out of 14 times.
More over I don't see the optimistic side to be any less "unfounded speculations". If anything the optimists are ignoring any facts that don't support their optimism.
Edit to add for the opposing viewpoint
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218
Welcome to the forums (which definitely aren't the horse's mouth...), but rumors about the imminent death of Carrara have been around for at least as long as I've been a member. Fortunately, that has turned out to be an event with the timing of Daz Soon.
Which seems to be most of what floats around the forums. Possibly due to lack of information. ("There will be a big/major/amazing announcement in February. No, really, this one will be it. No, it isn't (just) the new installer. Can't say more.")
Please note, I'm not faulting the fine forum trolls -- it can be frustrating to know more and not be able to say what it is. And Daz wants to manage its press releases, understood. But without meaningful information people end up speculating and some of them get a bit angry when their favorite speculation doesn't pan out.
I am beta testing some software that will need the C8.5 beta next month for another company
perhaps it is a deal with THEM for collaboration
cannot say
cannot say what little I do not know
have said too much already but actually do not know
it is NOT Autodesk btw!!!! ;-P
Which seems to be most of what floats around the forums. Possibly due to lack of information. ("There will be a big/major/amazing announcement in February. No, really, this one will be it. No, it isn't (just) the new installer. Can't say more.")
Please note, I'm not faulting the fine forum trolls -- it can be frustrating to know more and not be able to say what it is. And Daz wants to manage its press releases, understood. But without meaningful information people end up speculating and some of them get a bit angry when their favorite speculation doesn't pan out.
There is also the issue that what feels like "soon" to someone for whom this is a job which needs to be balanced with the rest of their workload, a view of the progress going on behind the scenes, and a real life away from work with which to balance things, doesn't feel like "soon" to people who hit Refresh on the forum page several times a day hoping that "soon" meant today.
See! Some good news right there!
Or some good anti-news.
Either way, made me smile. :)
Hmm, not quite certain that it did really support the optimists, but who am I to say.
I am after all an optimistic Brycer, which could be considered by some to be a contradiction in terms. :coolsmirk:
Oh good! Because I need a lot of hand-holding getting my V3 and A3 figures into iClone so I can do the mocap-kinnect thing and then send it back to Carrara..., any collaboration between these two companies that involves Carrara gives me hope...
And if we could just get 3DCoat's Applink for Carrara, too... yes yes yes please? :wow:
I rest my case.
Edit to add
" But without meaningful information people end up speculating and some of them get a bit angry when their favorite speculation doesn’t pan out."
If only. I'd be happy if my pessimistic assumptions didn't pan out as often as they do.
the Daz figures import better from studio
but
iClone supports Carrara rigging
got mmoir's man in no worries
lol, it is no huge secret what I am beta testing maybe
hopefully those morphs I made in carrara will work in the update
For those who haven't visited the Animation forum:
Sub7th made this video, the 3d portions of which are 90% Carrara, 10% Cinema 4D r11
Belles Wake - Penelope
too many great news here.. a brand new content manager... our beloved adminstrator very talkative....wendy on the runway...
my head is spinning around and we're still in early February /#
again, I never said I was leaving or asking if it was dead, I asked what is happening as I have heard many things from many people.
I did say that IF Carrara was going to fall by the way side i MAY have to look at another program, but UNTIL i knew for sure, I would hold off on spending money on Daz or any other program.
If I thought there was no point in using Carrara anymore or that it was dead why would I have bought Howies Scene and asked him about a possible fix???
Asking questions is not making a statement, it is about getting answers, but I get others see in posts like mine what they want to see :/
They have been here since I started using C6 too, but I was not implying about it's death, I was asking about it's current state :)
Anything you hear from any user is pure speculation and should be taken with a grain of salt. Only go by what DAZ 3D says.
When they say it - but they don't say much ;)
That is why I came here, submitting anything to daz's help desk never gets answer, at least my last two enquiries anyway
Could you work some Daz voodoo magic and let us know, who do we have to wait for when ever this announcement may be
Whoever the current PR flak is, I'd assume. I really don't keep up with that. You could review the employee roster if you really care. If it isn't really all that big it may just be revealed by one of the rank and file (Richard maybe?) but ultimately, other than any official announcement will have to be made by a Daz employee its all guessing.
Daz doesnt tell the PA's stuff and they ARE under an NDA, and I know that for fact as I was one, they don't trust the vendors not too leak information, and that was from Daz_Kevin, big deal about the install manager, not like we all haven't been doing ti manually for years, wanting to know what is going on with a program I paid for is not un-reasonable, although I guess to some on this forum it is.
Not unreasonable at all (you did buy it "as is"), just that experience shows that since DAZ opened for business they do not tell you anything until they are ready to. So relax and go about your business, and do what you can with what you have. That's what I do. Much less stressful! :)
Doing a howie scene, already stressed :)