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Ok, so, while the expression is less extreme, I would seriously consider the subject and posing again. Everyone has their own taste, which is fine, but it just seems such an odd juxtaposition of concepts (old lady, nude?, laying down pose, and wet skin)... I just don't know what to think of it. Even if it was a real photo I'd be a little confused. I say all this because it just throws off any subjective opinion on if its realistic or not. That said, tactically speaking, yes I would remove the wet geoshell, its distracting, and it looks like you're using an HDRI background instead of actual geometry... I'd recommend against that. The hair is pretty good actually... though please tell you are not drawing it in my hand?? Lastly, I'd work on the eyes -- again, its such an extreme makeup and squint (for an old lady) that is just throws off the viewer. Hope that helps.
I usually use it when using an HDRI for the background pic as most independent un-rendered pics are slightly blurred and I do this to take the crisp edge off of it, as I don't usually rely on too much post work... I'll post some examples!
Got it.
Yeah, I guess the Geoshell is pretty distracting. I'm curious as to whether others have found the skin textures in DS to be distracting when doing closeups? Looking at the Ron Perlman image, there's tremendous variety in the skin. I assume those were done in Zbrush or some other program that allows individual texturing. Except for some of the older characters, there doesn't seem to be much variety in DS skin textures.
Thanks. The hair is Linday Short Wet Hair which has fairly fine textures but I add hair to areas that look flat or clumpy. I don't think there are any DS products that I've run across that are fine enough to represent hair in tight closeups. I have a Cintiq, so drawing, for me, is pretty quick and I enjoy it. I spent maybe an hour adding hair in Photoshop.
Thanks for your input, jeffam. I think it's too easy for me sometimes to get caught up in a storyline--I'll try some more neutral studio-like poses next time.
On my way seeking photorealism. Not there yet and a WOW is not enough.
In the lab I am in, we have a lot of very tall willowy Northern Chinese women so remember in a country of over a billion, you may get a few diffferent body types.
Cool, no problem, and in the end, all that matters is that you have fun!
Here is the closest I think I've gotten to anything resembling "photo realism". It was really just a test render that I ended up being pretty happy with. The only light is from the HDRI (https://www.daz3d.com/daz-studio-iray-hdr-interiors). The skin was actually from https://www.daz3d.com/eider-and-olaya-for-genesis-8-female.
Not as good as some already shown here, but I had to share. :)
Personally I'd swore that's a real photo, specially the girl. With some cgi placed in, some props don't look real to me because they cast no shadows nor reflections. To me it seems more a photoshop collage of a real photo and some items rendered separately.
That said, having you posted proof of your work .. I'm amazed .. never seen something better.
Thanks Padone
Thanks tosome of the input I've gotten here, I decided to take the figure I used in the earlier renders of the woman in bed and place her in a studio setting with more light control and a neutral background. I think it helps. Please let me know what you think. There's minimal postwork in this. I added an ambient occlusion layer and a depth layer which gave the image more "pop".
I too had some doubts but was amazed to see the DAZ Studio scene screenshots. I've been trying for that natural snapshot look for years and have never acheived anything close to these images. Excellent work, @jeffam. The hair and brows are especially convincing as is the skintone/lighting. Just one question-mark regarding what looks like a dark silhouette immediately behind her head and shoulders and slightly to the right in the close-up head shot.
Since you asked for it here's some notes. I will not hold back for the purpose to be constructive.
1) The very first thingy that comes to my attention is the fake smile. Facial muscles simply don't follow. That's a common issue specially in G8 poses I'm afraid. Specifically the cheecks need to be rised up, and the mouth corners need to be smoothed out of those spikes and widened up and better integrated with the mouth contour muscles. Basically the mouth as is seems just sticked-in into the face.
2) The eyes position seems a bit odd. It's like she looks at something but also she fix the void since the eyes seem parallel and don't converge a bit as usually it is when looking at something. Or may be what she's looking at is very far but in a closed room this is unlikely.
3) Being both her arms laid down I'd expect the shoulders to be a little raised up. Specially the one on the knee.
4) I don't like those hair at all they just make a "spaghetti" effect .. they seem way too thick to me.
5) Lighting. Since this seems to be a closed room with dark walls (that for the sake of completeness it's terrible for taking shots in a real situation) I don't get where that backlight comes from. I whould expect a window behind her or any strong light source. May be better a strong xenon halogen lamp in this case since the backlight seems to have a blue tint so it can't come from the sun. For the same reason in this dark environment I don't get where all those reflections into the eyes and earrings come from.
agree
... and lips do stretch when smiling. Most expression sets only move the mouth corners up and that's it. That is why all the preset smiles from Victoria 4 to Genesis 8 look weird.
That's a good point. I've just been letting the program make the expressions and not paying enough attention to what the muscles and tissues actually do.
That actually was intentional. I was trying to add some imperfection and some personality by making her a little cross-eyed, But that might be too distracting.
Good point.
I'm not sure which hair is giving the spaghetti effect you're seeing. Is it the ones on the top that are backlit?
I can't say I agree with this--In a studio environment, photographers boost the lights to keep them out of the picture. Studio shots where the figure is well-lit by unknown sources are pretty common. Since studio shooting is artificial by design, I don't think the source needs to be defined. Thanks for your comments--I will take your advice into account for my next efforts.
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1) Lights are off again. The character is lit from back-left while the scene is lit from front-right. This can't be real. As for the studio explanation of your previous picture I didn't mean you can't use studio lights. Of course you can. I meant that in your picture the backlight seems to affect only some parts of the character and doesn't affect other parts and/or the scene itself. So it's fake. Even studio lights that are not visible to the camera need a real location to cast from. And affect all the elements on the scene.
2) Unless she is meant to have some sort of strong deformation on her skull, the occipital left-plate is way too off to pass as real. The mouth stills fake. It seems something is pulling out her lips from inside and the mouth contour is unnatural. May be this is just a bad character to use for realism.
This is truly stunning. Are you able to get the same kind of results in different environments and lighting situations?
Most of the renders shown here are great, especially the one with the actor from Sons of Anarchy!! :D
I don't know if this could help you, but some time ago I found this 2 hours long tutorial on Render Settings, and this guy seemed to know basically everything about them:
Thanks! Different environments yes, different lighting only somewhat. I can achieve the same general look/feel/realism in any environment set, however, I've found the only way I can achieve the level of realism I want is by using a pretty basic point light and NO other lights. Adding other lights to the scene or having the environment lighting value at non-zero works, but it lessens the reality. Which, is too bad, because it makes all of my works look similar :(
Use the Daz store too to benchmark the look you would like, some sellers have more or less degrees of life-like rendering, see if your look matches theirs.
Start with one thing in a scene and work from there, you don't have to master the scene all at once. Then you can even plop some photo behind the character and working it to get it looking pretty decent.
In audio it's like first matching just drums to a real radio song's drums, and then layering your instruments on top of that sound, as opposed to trying to mix your instruments all at once and then trying to match the overall track's EQ to what the pro-mixed radio song sounded like.
Lighting, camera and pose!
Honestly though, from what I've observed most of the time clothing and hair models/materials are what ruin "photorealism" in renders.
@acecombs_b317c01b8d : In my opinion, the whole charcter being in sharp focus detracts from photorealism. When working in 3d redering, you need to think like a photographer. Compose the shot, set up your lights, and fine tune your camera settings (depth of field is your friend).
A new one for kicks. I like the new Coco Hair!
Nice:) She should have red eyes?
Oh yeah, very cool.
There's somethig very odd in the shadows. Again, it looks like a photoshop collage of real photos and cgi elements. The girl is absolutely realistic. It's a bit odd that her face is always in the same position and expression and camera angle in all your renderings .. it really looks like sticked in from a real picture.
While it's 100% Daz render, I do know what you're saying. They can have an odd look to them. The shadow is authentic - cast from a single point shadow light. Here's one with her face is different position and different expression and pose... but yeh, any drastic tends to break the illusion of reality.
He did post a wireframe from the viewport on the first page. The rendering does have a realistic grainy look to it, maybe it's just the low lighting.
Are you using secondCircle's light rigs? They have these direct camera flash lights look, similiar to those in your renders.
I am not. I literally just use a single Spotlight set to Point geometry.