ZDG random Daz Studio discoveries and questions.

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    That explains a bit of the 'Verge of crash' mistake. I was on this step on the line above it, and when I went to press the 'L' key I got 'L' + 'K' by accident.

    That kind of left almost everything selected and Hex drooling on it's self, I tried to click out of it and hex just didn't respond, lol.

    I guess I should stop fussing around with pose presets that only look correct from a single angle, and move onto making some simple steps. BTW, L-to-R, FW Eve, Sabby Carlene, G2F7W, and EJ Bellaluna.

    All right, after a basic fit test with G3F, looks like 26cm is the absolute bare minimum step depth.

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    Taking the day off to do some basic stuff (getting an inspection sticker for my Jeep, etc), and I decided to look threw what was actually installed for content on my computer.  I have a few items I have not looked at yet from the past few months, and some.

    etc... Yea, a few items may be a bit of an understatement, and I may not be able to getting to some of this for quite some time. Well, I was looking at that list at daz initially, because I noticed a particular 'dial' that I had forgotten where it came from. And a further Google image image search was not much help at all. out of a thousand images or so, only one looked like that dial, and it lead to a place I've never found to be useful at all in the past.

    OK, this once, that site has a useful bit of info for where Karrie was from. In the past I've had to resort to search origami to essentially block that site, as they do NOT include rather important info when your looking up images of fossils or 'artifacts' for a reference to something your reading about whatever the topic is. And for some odd reason, they otherwise flood the Google image search with complete junk. The bones are not fossils, the wrong species, or just outright fakes. And it was the same when I was looking for images of Egyptian jewelry artifacts from a specific time period (Early Dynastic Period, or Old Kingdom. 3100BC to 2160 BC) as a guide. I would sift down threw the images, spot one I liked and wanted to know more about, only to be greeted with no information about the 'supposed artifact' at all (where did it come from upper or lower Egypt, how old is, etc), completely useless.

    So, in any case. Apparently Karrie was from a purchase I made "over yonder" some time ago, and I just completely forgot about it. It has been an interesting day, lol.

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    Well, just two WIP screen-caps.

    It's a concept, tho I'm still not sold on the step depth (26cm) just yet.

    I'll get back to fussing with this, that's what I have so far. There is some edge anomalies I need to address as well.

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    The past few days I've been bouncing between the steps and some other stuff. I did take the time to look at Iray for a few, and things still need to be improved.

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/53771/iray-starter-scene-post-your-benchmarks

    Studio 4.8 and 4.9 are much better then the beta version last year, however the GPU is still not firing on all cylinders.

    One thing that dawned on me, was the driver may need to be updated. Unfortunately as I've experienced, some drivers tend to break things as happened to me during the Iray beta. As suggested on the forum, I ditched the Nevada (Nvidia) driver update utility that was supposed to make sure the update worked with my games/software and stopped updating the video driver all together.

    So, I need to dig a bit and find out what newer drivers do not break SonarX1 and Daz Studio.

    Now, I'm sure some are wondering why I'm fussing with a card that is not intended for Iray or gaming at all. I have been around for quite some time, and for a very long time different cards were Nerf-ed in ways to 'discourage' some from using them in other environments that had products specifically for that environment. Unfortunately some of us have limits with what we can get. I can not afford the price tag of a VCA (Visual Computing Appliance), nor do I have wall outlets that can deliver the power for a VCA and the rest of my system (speakers, monitors, computer, etc). So we have no choice other then to get 'lower end' graphics cards, and pray that there not Nerf-ed so much that they wont do what we need. I do not know if things have improved over the past five plus years, I have simply stopped looking at graphics cards out of disgust of where things were going. I can not afford the electric bill of having multiple two-hundred watt graphics cards running 24/7 in my computers, that is just insanity to consider it.

    So, I do not know IF the GT730 is simply so extensively lobotomized that it will never be able to use all of it's CUDA cores in Iray, or if it is simply a driver issue. And like wise, I do not know if any of the other lower end Maxwell chips are also extensively crippled in a similar way. It is a situation where I can not afford to chance spending the money for something that is not going to work. There is a couple of 4GB GTX 960 cards in my price range, unfortunately there is nothing anywhere on how the GTX 960 chip dose with Iray.  The GTX960 dose not come with more then 4GB of ram, and it burns more then a hundred watts, So I am not going to chance it, it is a No-Go on that purchase.

    As of this post, ALL of the Iray comparison benchmark threads I've been able to find, have devolved into testosterone poisoned bragging channels for those that can afford the multi thousand dollar graphics card setups and the electric bills. If Iray is an "Exclusive Titan Only Club" as those noodle whipping each other benchmark threads appear to indicate, then that is an electric bill that is to rich for my blood. So without any reliable information anywhere on how Iray runs on more affordable cards, I'm not going to waste my money on Iray stuff at all. I have done as much for the past year of lacking information on the lower end cards, I will continue to do so.

    What is the 4GB GT730 good for, in a CPU crunch box. I use to get radeon 9250 cards (or ATI 7000 cards) and AGP motherboards (not even PCIe), and build the boxes around that. It was enough to get the desktop out of the system ram with reasonable performance for tasks like SPICE simulations (SonarX1 software synths, 3delight, etc), and within a 20 watt power envelope. The 23 watt 4GB GT730 is the first PCIe card with a reasonable desktop responsiveness that allows me to update my nine year old Spice/Boinc cluster hardwear. I am still looking for a mid-range graphics card with 8GB of ram for Iray, that consumes less then a hundred watts.  I just hope I don't need to wait another Nine Years for it to arrive on the market, again.

    Nevada driver update utility, that's the spell check for you, lol.

    (old NASA joke skit) Do you know where you're going to land?  Yes, I will land some where in Nevada.  So you're sure they will get you back to the earth?  Yes, they will get you back to the earth, just how far into it I'm not to sure of.  Are they going to give you something to break the fall?  Yes, the state of Nevada.

     

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  • Mustakettu85Mustakettu85 Posts: 2,933

    So, I need to dig a bit and find out what newer drivers do not break SonarX1 and Daz Studio.

     

    Don't know if it helps, but the combo of DS 4.9.2.70 (installed as a beta) and the 368.22 WHQL GeForce drivers (fairly recent) actually makes Iray _work_ on my GeForce GT 740M (a 2 GB mobile GPU). The previous Iray builds with older drivers made the whole system BSoD the moment the host app (DS or Substance) loaded the bridge (so basically on program launch).

    I've never had any GPU-related issues with Sonar, though. On the other hand, this machine only saw the X3 onward.

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    Kettu, I will give that driver a try after I embark on a different test. I do remember that happening, the program would throw up the splash thing then die before the program window loaded. I'm not sure what it was with SonarX1, tho some VST plugins I have are OpenGL and others Active X window interfaces, hence some don't show up in my vid-caps at youtube.  Eagle CAD was the other that was affected, and I think WinVLSI as well possibly (it was some time ago).  Rolling back the driver did fix that, and I wasn't all that upset that the latest 'Gaming' driver had done that. I was upset that there 'Update Utility' that claimed to make sure the driver worked with my stuff, failed to recognize the driver would not work with my programs, as I was lead to believe by the installer for it. Had I known it was not going to work with my programs, I would not have wasted the CPU cycles on that 'Update Utility' being there at all, lol.

    Memory lane. lets go back to 2007 when I first got a camera, and the OSWATT workstation was on it's second set of upgrades.

    I had to find the pic, because I could not remember how much Ram was on the old 6800GT, lol. a chin-dropping 256MB of VDDR, lol. Please forgive the quality of the pics, the camera was only a day or so old and I had yet to get a Tripod (I now have a few tripods). So, in the following two pics of the DVI-sVGA adaptor support bracket, you will see a hint of something where that PCIe 4x slot is on the old A8N-E motherboard just above the sound card on the back of the case.

    You guessed it, that lower cutout had originally been a support for a DVI-sVGA adaptor on a 6600GT that was in that 4x PCIe slot back in 2005. I had since moved that third monitor to a second computer and gave the 6600GT to my brother.

    What!?, I've seen many say that a graphics card will not work in anything les then an 8x PCIe slot, and yet I had done as much way back in 2005, over ten years ago. And I'm about to try it again, because to my surprise (I had forgotten it was not an 8x), the new M5A97 motherboard's second graphics card slot is only a 4x interface even tho it is a 16x plug on the board. Has things changed since 2005, and the cards not work in 4x slots any more, let me try and find out, as it is an opportunity to do something else if it dose work. I can drop in the NX8600GT to take over the monitors, and try Iray solo on the GT730 without any desktop stuff on it.

    Now the easiest thing to do, is somewhat of an extreme test according to some. Plug the NX8600GT into that 4x slot, leave the GT730 in the 16x slot, and move my monitors over to the NX8600GT. If it works, then Iray has no bottlenecks at all on the GT730. Then If it all works, I can swap them to se if that 4x dose anything to the render times of Iray at all (I doubt it on such a POS card, lol). And I can find out if it is the desktop tasks are keeping the GT730 from firing on all cylinders in Iray.

    Agh, and my coffee cup is broken again, all the coffee keeps leaking out the hole in the top of the cup.  As I fire up an old 1980's song by 'So' titled "Are you sure", and start powering things down to swap some cables. If I don't make a post within a few hours, then I "broke my PC good". Tho I suspect I will have some really good pics and a working graphics card in a 4X PCIe slot long before a few hours is up, lol. So, while I swap out the monitor cables, Why do so many insist, that a Graphics card will NOT work in an 4x PCIe slot? Am I about to find out why?

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    Well, what have we here.

    The 23 watt GT730 is driving my B243pwl on the left side, and the 43 watt NX8600GT in the 4x PCIe slot is driving the G220fb on the right side.

    And it only took restarting the comp 3 times for all the driver changes to kick in in windows7 64bit (not fussing with settings or anything, just restarting the comp). One of them was the removal of my SSD controller to fit the NX8600GT heat pipes under the GT730 heat sink. So what if My drive 'G' is out of the loop, it only has my defunct Amazon BBC documentary vids on it that upgrading my CPU killed the DRM on all of it, grrrrr. I want to watch my copies of "Jurassic CSI" and "Rise of the Continents" that I paid for (takes a deep breath, oh-mmmmmmmmmmm, must get back on topic).  The NX8600GT works in the 4x PCIe slot without any problems at all, so what was that about "a Graphics card will NOT work in an 4x PCIe slot"? What am I missing here, are we in the same multiverse, lol.

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  • Mustakettu85Mustakettu85 Posts: 2,933

     it only has my defunct Amazon BBC documentary vids on it that upgrading my CPU killed the DRM on all of it, grrrrr. I want to watch my copies of "Jurassic CSI" and "Rise of the Continents" that I paid for (takes a deep breath, oh-mmmmmmmmmmm, must get back on topic). 

    Oh my, I feel for you. Now I'm kinda happy Amazon digital video stuff isn't available in Russia...

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

     it only has my defunct Amazon BBC documentary vids on it that upgrading my CPU killed the DRM on all of it, grrrrr. I want to watch my copies of "Jurassic CSI" and "Rise of the Continents" that I paid for (takes a deep breath, oh-mmmmmmmmmmm, must get back on topic). 

    Oh my, I feel for you. Now I'm kinda happy Amazon digital video stuff isn't available in Russia...

    And likewise, I miss a particular MP3 shop I use to be able to do business with over there. The grass is always greener on the other side, lol.

    Everything looks good (5v rail is actually at 4.993vdc, the sensor is off on the motherboard). I did need to ram a 1600x1200 60Hz mode down windows7's throat to make my G220fb happy (it dose not like 75 or 80hz at 1600x1200, it's getting old).  So, I now have both monitors on the NX8600GT in the 4x PCIe slot, and am about to do some Iray tests on the GT730 in the 16x PCIe slot.

    Battle of the GPU's. Let Server-kombat begin!  Ah, hold on there. I am not taking lightning generates to this workstation, or submerging it in seawater, or pounding the hell out of it on a Earthquake test bench at Richter magnitude 13 levels, or baking it in an blast furnace, or setting off explosives inside the thing, while it runs weather simulations till it dies. Thus it is not a genuine Server-kombat event, lol.

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    Well, I need to dig a bit more, I know it is on the form somewhere. However in the intern, Iray apparently can not use a dedicated CUDA core card for some odd reason.

    The 8600GT is so old, it is incapable of Iray CUDA functions, and yet DS is insisting on using it instead of the GT730 regardless what I plug in for settings. And yes, I've rebooted the computer after setting the GT730 to be the only CUDA device, to no avail.

    This is not a 4x PCIe issue, otherwise the 8600GT that is in that slot would not be in the list at all for CUDA resources.  There was a thread I came across yesterday on this forum that mentioned a newer driver then the one I'm using, I think it was the same one you mentioned Kettu, I'll give that a try. It may possibly fix this so the GT730 get's with the program instead of DS trying to use the 8600GT for some stupid reason.

    2016-07-17 20:07:34.972 WARNING: dzneuraymgr.cpp(261): Iray ERROR - module:category(IRAY:RENDER):   1.0   IRAY   rend error: Cannot render: found no usable devices.
    2016-07-17 20:07:34.972 Iray Render error: Invalid parameters (NULL pointer).
    2016-07-17 20:07:34.996 Saved image: R:\\render\r.png
    2016-07-17 20:07:35.018 Finished Rendering
    2016-07-17 20:07:35.060 Total Rendering Time: 1.58 seconds

    err, no, older driver then 368.22, never mind.

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/76149/daz-studio-4-9-1-30-iray-crash-on-nvidia-driver-364-72

    Because they changed there site, and I have no idea how to get to "Older Drivers", the only drivers I have and can get are as follows. for the 8600GT is 335.23 and 341.95. And for the GT730 is 347.88 and 368.39.  I have no idea where 341.44 is that is currently installed, probably was a web-install from eons ago. I'm off to try to install some of this.

    Rolling back to the latest 8600GT 341.95 driver didn't fix it. Next. well, 347.88 and 368.39 made the 8600GT and my displays drop off the face of the planet, so it is just not going to work at all.  I'm not sure if it is because the 8600GT and GT730 are just to far apart for the 'Unified driver' to work with them, or if it is just impossible for Iray to use only the card that is NOT running the monitors, or both. I did get it to render in Iray, tho only after I yanked the 8600GT out so I could see what was going on on the desk top. So, 8600GT back in it's box, and the GT730 in the 4x PCIe slot...

    Yea, I need to clean that out, getting kind of dusty in there. Total Rendering Time: 35 minutes 41.96 seconds

    vs 35 minutes 34.96 seconds with the GT730 in the 16x PCIe slot.  I think it is safe to say that the 4x PCIe slot is not hindering the GT730 in any way at all, it is just that much of an Iray incapable card to be affected by limited bandwidth, lol.  It dose do multiple displays on the desktop very nicely, and has no issue with 1080p videos, so perfect for a silent low-watt juke-box PC or Server, etc. And did I mention, it only burns twenty three watts.

    As for the questions raised by Iray trying to use the wrong GPU, that will need to wait till the third when I can get another GT730. Insufficient info on the other low-watt cards, and I can use another GT730 in a "to-be server", so I will try again with a second GT730 later on.

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    Way O.T.  Asteroid 2016 H03 orbit. It's going to be with us for a while.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2016/0616/Astronomers-spot-asteroid-in-little-dance-with-Earth

    Every time I see something like this, I sarcastically and jokingly ask the question, "What was that definition of a Planet again", lol.

    A 'Planet' is (according to the IAU), 1 is in orbit around the Sun or other star, 2 has sufficient mass to assume hydrostatic equilibrium (a nearly round shape), and 3 has "cleared the neighborhood" around its orbit. Hmmm?

    (Edit 18Jun2016)

    Just looking at that orbit, I wonder if Asteroid 2016 H03, could possibly be an ejected former moon or fragment of the Earth Theia moon event, or an ejected body from something like a KT impactor companion that didn't hit earth, possibly.

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  • FistyFisty Posts: 3,416

    Does that mean we should recall Saturn's planet club membership?

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    Yea, I'm not sure, tho I think Mercury is the only one that doesn't need to worry about loosing the 'Planet Club' membership, lol.

    As for other useless things, like Iray benchmarks. Remember, I was looking for a card that used less then a hundred watts with 8GB of ram on it for Iray crunching.

    Ah, yea, I think the Titan is the only one with 8 or more gigs of Ram on it. Talk about watt-hog Exclusive club membership. Do not plug one of them cards into a computer with a Pentium 4 EE processor and tap it with a hammer, it may achieve fusion, if not go plaid, lol. There is another chart there from way back in 2013 (nothing newer then at all).

    The only card on the chart that is less then 300USD is the 25 watt 96 CUDA core 2GB GT630 that appears to be on par with my 23 watt 384 CUDA core 4GB GT730 at the 36 minute per render range, possibly (same render times, different benchmark. THG 3ds Iray vs. SickleYield's Daz Studio Iray benchmark). Most of the cards on the chart don't even have the minimum 4GB of ram on them for Iray, the rest are multi thousand dollar Quadro cards. There are a few exceptions where some incredibly outdated Quadro cards sell for less then a thousand dollars, there just not worth it.

    With info like that, and nothing on the more affordable cards, I'm sure I'm not the only one that got the impression that Iray is only for the super rich that don't pay there own electric bills. I know it can't be, there are lots of cards out there with 4GB on them, there is just nothing anywhere on how they perform at Iray. For example The 64 watt GT740 is a question mark, and it is available with 4GB. The posted result for the 740 was during the Iray beta, and even my GT730 times sucked during the beta, hour plus per render. The 120 watt 4GB GTX960 is on the edge of affordable, I would need to scrape by and eat Ramen noodles or something for it, there is just nothing on it's Iray performance at all anywhere. I know there was a couple other hundred or less watt graphics cards out there, there was just no Iray info on them. Did nvidia ever have a GTX 800 series?

    So, out of all the cards that are in my price range, I have no idea if any of them are faster or not at Iray, then the known quantity I already have, the GT730.  So, at this time, I just can not justify scraping by to get a more expensive card. Also, the GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 cards have yet to get Iray driver support, so it is unknown when nvidia will be able to get that going, Gaming is the top priority at the moment for those cards. So again, whatever the lower end model number will be (if there will be one), it is questionable if it will have 8GB of ram, and if it will be worth scraping up for it to do Iray crunching. The GTX 1080 is a 180 watt space heater, and the GTX 1070 is a 150 watt foot wormer, lol. The 1080 and 1070 do have 8GB of Ram, It would take a few months to scrape up for them (many months to be honest, like possibly half a year of Raman noodles), and I just don't know if I want to put my electric bill threw that to be honest. It would be less play funds to buy stuff at the Daz store each and every month until a lower watt option comes along.

    Speaking of play funds, and the daz store. Very nice Raiya and DT, one I've yet to render, the other is waiting in DIM still. I will get to this thought shortly, I need to refill my coffee cup.

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    Typed before I looked at my inventory, lol.  I was initially thinking I had two figures by Raiya in the last batch of orders, I had mistaken Freja for Raiya, sorry. Jolina HD vs Enya For Kalea 7 and there is DT - Yurika by Digital Touch. Kimo7 can hang out just a little bit longer over in DIM, lol. I'm skipping two orders to look at Jolina HD now, looks like some major improvements to look over. She is part of a bundle that I did not get just yet, I decided that would wait till the third. Before I go there tho, I must first say "Thanks daz and Fred/Sabby/Fisty".

    Grace and Grace works, yes!  That's my goofed up AltShader on Des Grace, and FWSA Grace.

    And, nice dress Willmap, I like that "G2F Full Circle Skirt Dress".

    The dress did have some difficulties that may have been something to do with that Pose preset. The left sleeve cuff ended up going into the arm for some odd reason, and the right collar bone was poking threw the shirt. setting the smoothing distance to "0.1" fixed the collar, tho the arm ended up needing some scaling to resize things a bit. It looks like that pose preset had the arm twisting in opposite directions rather extremely (elbow vs forearm) and that may have broken a JCM or two in the dress. Other then that, very very nice.

    Without fail, I appear to be having some technical difficulties here. DIM is showing Jolina HD to be installed, yet

    Never mind, I'll go this way, I don't need to load the full figure, just the shape. The dial better be there at least.

    Very nice indeed. The outward curve above the upper lip looks much better without that horizontal crease half way between the lip and the bottom of the nose on her I think. Much much much improved.

    As for what Kettu had mentioned earlier on, yes I do agree to an extent.

    The "Smile Delight" set of dials do have some that put that crease there, it need not be baked into the G3F figure shape.

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  • Mustakettu85Mustakettu85 Posts: 2,933

    That asteroid is cute =)

     

    And likewise, I miss a particular MP3 shop I use to be able to do business with over there. The grass is always greener on the other side, lol.

    Was it by chance Fidel or Muz?

    It's weird how we can buy movies on iTunes or Google Play here in Russia, but we cannot buy TV shows on either (why?!). Coupled with the fact that all TV here is overdubbed, and Russian mail will lose or mangle stuff more times than not...

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    At this point, I'm almost afraid to say the name of the site. Unlike the others they had 320kbps CBR mp3 files that were top quality, they did not have lower quality mp3s. I have not tried Google play, last time I looked at iTunes it only worked if the music went straight onto an apple product (Iphone, Ipad, etc), and Amazon dose not have 320 kbps at all, there 192 or VBR. On Studio speakers or Studio headphones, you can hear the lisping of the cymbals bells hi-hats and in vocals 't' 's' syllables with lower quality mp3s.  One day a year or so ago, I went to there site to buy some music, and the site was gone, and that was it. No body else had the same quality of MP3 files, or the music I happened to be looking for, so I stopped buying music in that form. I get the CD and rip it myself to 320kbps CBR ECC. Thankfully the likes of TSFH and Immediate have started selling CDs.

    Let me post this screen-cap, I need to make coffee. That hair looks incredible, it just takes ages to spot render, and I was falling asleep at the keyboard earlier. JolinaHD dose have separate HD dials, so the face-plant time without them appeared to be rather good (between 1:30 and five minutes depending on the hair).

    I had swapped the hair, and inadvertently got the Iray shader on the hair, and I gave up and went to bed.

    Also I'm not totally sure what the face plant time is, because I had gotten into a habit of reducing Cores on Studio. Often I'm watching JayzTwoCents, Linus and the crew, Dave down in Australia (EEVblog), or Barnacules while I'm plugging away in Studio. To keep the vids from skipping, I'll take a CPU core away from Studio in the task manager.  I've yet to figure out how to do the same to Iray on the primary GPU, so I'm hoping it is possible to force Iray off onto a second card eventually.

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    That asteroid is cute =)

     

    And likewise, I miss a particular MP3 shop I use to be able to do business with over there. The grass is always greener on the other side, lol.

    Was it by chance Fidel or Muz?

    It's weird how we can buy movies on iTunes or Google Play here in Russia, but we cannot buy TV shows on either (why?!). Coupled with the fact that all TV here is overdubbed, and Russian mail will lose or mangle stuff more times than not...

    Yea, the entertainment industry has this odd thing, where to prevent some from being offended, they do not allow some stuff to be sold in particular 'regions' of the world.

    So I've had to import some stuff from overseas that is not sold in the US. Stuff that I can not understand why there is a region block on it at all, lol.

    As for mangled and missing shipments, That's everywhere in the world. Like GPS units guiding drivers down park walk paths, lol. I'v had my share of mangled stuff shipped from the other side of the planet, and missing stuff. on the third I ordered three 12v fan speed control circuits, two days later I got an email asking me to rate the quality of the shipping on them. I know from painful experience that it takes around thirty days to get stuff from Asia to the east coast of the US, the 12v fan speed control circuits are still in the middle of the ocean, lol. I'll rate the shipping quality when they arrive, if they arrive. lol.

    Other stuff arrived in excellent condition and I'v already had it in use for some time now. Like that Artesyn power supply (LCB50E, 5VDC 10 amp unit that is in the gutted ATX PSU) that's been running the Odroid XU4 for around a month now. I did a quick visual inspection the other day, and it looks good, no ballooned caps or burnt bleed-off resistors or anything. I set it to 5.000VDC on day one, and it has not drifted at all, I am impressed. BTW, that 5VDC (Not 12 volts) "Knight Electronics" Orion fan (OD8025-05LB) is running really nicely. Minimal noise on the edge of inaudible, and it is doing a really nice job of keeping my monitors cool in my desk not just the LCB50E in the gutted ATX PSU with it.

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    If your curious why I'm looking rather distracted, and not working up a scene or two with the other figures I mentioned earlier.

    It's taking a bit to get a good quality test render, so I can set up an Alt shader that is rather close to Jolina's stock skin shader settings. The face plant time was fine, more then tolerable, it's just taking a long time to fill in the Atari pixels.

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  • FistyFisty Posts: 3,416

    Select the scull cap of that hair model and set the specular to multiply opacity On..

  • Fisty said:

    Select the scull cap of that hair model and set the specular to multiply opacity On..

    I thought that was my soft-box light in the test chamber glaring off the forehead. will that make the render go faster, or is that just for that light spot on the forehead? I kind of don't want to kill the render at this point and lose an hour, kind of half hanging in there and undecided. I have enough of the cheek and side of the nose to do up a shader, it's just a do I kill it or not at this point, lol.

  • FistyFisty Posts: 3,416

    If it was a normal specular hotspot it wouldn't have that sharp and obvious horizontal line.  Soft boxes are.. well.. soft..  =P =)  Likely won't make your render any faster, just look better.

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    OK, good enough.

    Gave it a bit more time, to get a fare amount of the face. I'm beginning to wonder if the mats on her are Iray ones or not, it would explain the odd render performance in 3DL (na, there AoA mats). Unless it is that Opacity thing on both hair styles, hmm. (Waiting on FPT, Face-Plant Time) Ah, there we go, 16 minutes 11 seconds.

    And crawling along at a snails pace, I don't think that Opacity thing on all the hair layers had anything to do with render times. The forehead dose look better, I'm just not going to wait in excess of four hours for this to finish rendering.

    (EDIT) Check that, not four hours at all.

    76% at 62m to 80% at 149m is about 87 minutes for 4% progress. That shirt is aptly printed, OMG! over an hour for only 4% progress, (Dwayne Hicks expletive)  lol. so, to get 100% render would take a while at that rate, about 584m (9.7 hours) give or take.

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  • FistyFisty Posts: 3,416

    Activate the spot render tool, open the tool settings tab, checkmark new window, draw your spot render box around the forehead.  Composite in Gimp.  25ish minutes instead of 4 hours.

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    Yea, after my second thought regarding the time I typed above, it's not worth it.

    Yes, I have just gone there. I have things I want to do, today. lol.

    Much, much, much better. OK, so the color is off a little bit, easy to fix that, if I want to.

    Now I don't remember whom said that when Ripley and Burk were going rounds about what to do after being ambushed by them 'bugs'. Hudsn, it was hudsn that was using all the Expletives.

    I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure....

    yea, that's taking way to long, maybe I did just pick two bad hair styles in a row.

    Yea, absolutely. I need to make some 3DL AltShader mats for Taia and Lani hair, among the other dozen things on my to-do list.

    Time: 20 minutes 3.41 seconds.  Face-pnant Time; I blinked at that moment and missed it.

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    Alright, I adjusted a few settings. Starting with the Charice Hair

    And on my "FWSA Paloma HD" approximated derived trans mutated 'Alt Shader' using JolinaHD's maps...

    Yea, I could probably go a tad darker on the skin tone with a hint less red.

    Time: 19 minutes 54.97 seconds

    Well, not quite as dark as the AoA original, tho I kind of like this now.

    Time: 20 minutes 51.38 seconds. (I was watching a GTX1080 vid)

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited July 2016

    DT Yurika, Hmmmmm.

    [DT] Users are having render delay problems with AoA, can we make our products with Daz default or Omni Subsurface shaders instead?   [Daz3D], hell no, it must be the slowest shader or not at all in our store, we do not want pipsqueaks with less then eight Titans or whippersnappers with less then a thousand CPU core systems using stuff from our store.    [DT], wow, fine then, we'll just sell Iray only stuff, zarcondeegrissom will just make his own AltShader and post the settings any way.    [Daz3D], oh, we forgot about ZDG, that AoA and Iray party crasher.  lol.

    I do not know if such a discussion ever actually took place, tho it was the first funny thought that came to mind when I first looked at that folder. I will not venture a guess how much work making a figure is, tho I will suspect the complexity is up there with making CPUs and GPUs and stuff.

    I kind of need to make an alt-shader for the hair, that's why it's there.

    The hair looks incredible, honestly tho, this really grinds my system down drastically. The view port stutters and skips horribly just spinning around the hair in an empty scene.  661,225 Verts base mesh, no Sub-D at all. Even with DazDefault, this is going to take a very long time to render.

    Ah, yea.   Never mind, Seriously that is just not going to work without a GeForce Titan and a Blue Gene/Q.   G3F is only sixty-eight thousand and change Verts with Sub-D and HD.  That hair has the same amount of geometry used on CG models in movies, you can not work with that amount of geometry on a PC today, you just can't.

    Xylia Double French Braids 2 (For G2F, not G3F), it is.  Auto fitted to G3F, it has some difficulties around the neck on the tales, tho it at least dose not bring my antique Cray2 to it's knees, lol.

    Yea, I ended up just tossing the full face maps into the lips any way. I'm just plugging maps back in after applying the Daz Default shader to the Iray mats. Yurika has some really nice eye maps.

    Yea, I selected "Skin-Lips-Nails" and set the diffuse strength to 100% and the Specular strength to 30%. Possibly off a tad on the color tinting, tho I think this Looks good so far.   FYI, the "Teeth" zone is 255-255-255 white on Diffuse Spec and Ambient, the "EyeSocket" and "Mouth" zone is the same colors as the "Skin-Lips-Nails".

    I find that to be the easiest way to get the mouth and pink parts around the eyes to match up with the skin surfaces.

    (EDIT 2016Jul27 I was unaware of how restricted access is to some stuff for even Daz3D PAs when I typed the folowing, My apologies.)

    Now a little bit of brutal honesty and constructive criticism. Yurika comes with some really nice stuff, including full figure head and body shaping dials that I often gripe about not having on other figues. So far I have not stumbled onto anything that prevents me from using this figure.  However, I know some will have issues with the maps that are not there. There is a hint of critical bits on the torso maps, there is no geograft maps for the G3F 'brick' included with DT Yurika. Also there is no 'toe' dial to go with what is in the 'Torso' maps. So, yea, kind of limited in that regard.  To be fare, I have stumbled across a few other PAs that appear to just not do anything at all "down there" with any maps, and (referring to adults, not younger figures) I have mixed feelings about that at best, that has me desperately trying not to think about some barbaric practices (If you don't know, then you are lucky and best off not knowing, because some things can not be undone).  So, Yurika dose have something there, it is a good start that I'm feeling good about, and if you want more then it may be better to just use another figures mats.

    Back to good thoughts. Time to put some colors on Yurika's cloths and put her in a scene eventually. There is another figure I need to look at.

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  • Mustakettu85Mustakettu85 Posts: 2,933

    Wait, Zarcon, tell me I misunderstood. Some hair models are sold with AoA Subsurface mats?!?!?!?oneoneone

  • Mustakettu85Mustakettu85 Posts: 2,933

    OT digital music: iTunes these days is thankfully DRM-free. I can put those files into my joint Russia-Korea portable player (anything Apple is way out of my price range, and I'm not sure that price all goes into their DAC quality), and copy them around my hard drives to my heart's content. I wouldn't have it any other way - especially because with the music I prefer, there is often a need to rename files etc (either typos or plain out wrong track order).

    The compression they use is AAC, it´s somewhat better than mp3, so most of the time the quality is acceptable. Some productions will have hissy cymbals, but it's generally because of bad mastering (not all underground musicians have perfect ears or can afford Mika Jussila's services). They are hissy even lossless.

    Speaking of lossless, I buy FLAC off bandcamp and select labels' own stores (like Nuclear Blast). It's faster than going across the whole giant city to get CDs (if they are even available, which isn't always the case).

  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    Freja Enya for Kalea7

    (Enya Full Figure dial at 75%) Aside from the need to take time making an alt shader, I really did not encounter any difficulties with her. I was a tad curious what was going on on the forearm close to the elbow, tho it looks odd I'm guessing it's just a shadow from the pose somehow. There is nothing funny at all going on in the maps that I can see, the maps look really good in fact.

    Making the Alt shader was uneventful, and she dose come with all the needed maps. Including 'Normal' maps for Iray, and 'Bump' maps for 3delight. And yes, the maps are there for 'The Brick', lol. Over all, very nice all around. I am a tad curious what she will look like without  Kalea7 dialed in.

    Again, very nice, full set of Full figure Body and Head dials. I should probably make the skirt zones on the dress a tad bit 'enchanting' and do a render just to see what Enya looks like without Kalea7 dialed in.

    Yep, not bad at all. This spot render with Taia hair only toulk 2 minutes to get to 80%.

    Kettu, I think some hair styles may use the AoA shader, tho I don't think they use SubSurface, I don't think.  Lani Hair has omUberSurface 3delight mats (No 3DL or Iray indication at all for any of them in the smart tab), with Sub Surface Off.   Taia Hair also has omUberSurface 3delight mats (Again No 3DL or Iray indication at all for any of them in the smart tab), and again Sub Surface Off.   Lani Hair is just incredibly complex layers and overwhelming geometry to be working with on a PC, and all of it is a single surface zone on a single UV map to add insult to injury (It's getting evicted from my PC).  I have yet to look deeper at Taia Hair to be honest, it dose Not drag down the entire desktop interface system GPU&CPU when it is loaded into a scene, it just takes a bit longer to render, so it is at least usable (I've used it before without much difficulty at all).

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/984336/#Comment_984336

    Doing it millenniums before other empires, Do the Pharaoh Fly.  ROFL.

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  • ZarconDeeGrissomZarconDeeGrissom Posts: 5,412
    edited June 2016

    It got hot again this evening, so I decided to lay down for a bit.


    When I went to bed, I opted to just leave some stuff open with the windows minimized on the 'task bar', and just turn off the speakers and monitors. Apparently, the GPU never went into Idle, and staid at full afterburner throttle mode for the past few hours. Had this been a 200+ watt-hog graphics card, that would have been a few dollars more on the electric bill for that couple of hours. Even a empty windows desktop will randomly kick a graphics card into full afterburner mode with nothing other then the desktop going, I’ve noticed it on a few cards. Luckily my GT730 is NOT a watt-hog, so it's afterburner mode is not as bad as some cards with Saturn-V first stage fuel flow requirements. Daz Studio is one program that only needs to be running to kick a card into afterburner mode, and many web page adds also tend to do this, even with the window minimized.

    Sad day, very sad day.


    I have been told by a friend recently, that some of the handicaps of the Cell-phone-Ripoff interface OS has been addressed in Windows 10.  I beg to differ, and honestly, all the add-on programs I've tried do not adequately reproduce the XP programs menu and task-bar quick-launch functionality.

    First and foremost, a Windows curtain utility is NOT a good work around for the inferior production interface. It dose not replace your desktop interface, it only covers it up, and that requires more CPU and GPU resources to do that, and it dose not work with many programs resulting in many programs with broken up borders and nonfunctional buttons and messed up menus.

    A real menu is one that dose not require you to click it to open a sub-menu. None of the curtain utility I have tried on Win7 have that basic functionality with a simple setting called "MenuShowDelay=0". Some of the curtain utilities require you to click a item multiple times before it responds, that is just not cool.

    A scrolling menu is Not an efficient to use interface for getting stuff done. A search box is not a sufficient menu replacement, bouncing back and forth multiple times between the keyboard and a mouse is not the most optimum way to get work done. There are many times you need a real genuine menu that can be operated with only a two button mouse without a scroll wheel, that scales in height and width for the number of items in the menu so they can all be shown at the same time.

    Unfortunately, the only way to get a Programs menu that remotely functions in the superior XP way, is to turn the Favorites menu into it with a registry hack. If it was not for that, I would still be on XP. Oh, and the drag and right-click options don't exactly work with many of the curtain utilities.

    Also, that "Pin to taskbar" is not as useful as the Quick-launch. There are times when you need to 'quickly' launch another copy of a program like notepad or calculator or Irfanview. Like when your doing screen-caps of something or copying text from one program to another without all that formatting junk. If notepad or Irfanview was pinned to the task bar and already open with a document, that Pin thing turns into that single program and will not open another copy of it, it only puts the window that is already open on top of what your working on. That was something else that I had to 'Hack' into windows 7, because it is not actually there in windows 7 as a simple check-box item.

    Unless future versions of windows gets the basic user interface functionality back that XP had, I do not ever see it being a better tool in a production environment. And especially in places like this forum where many have photograph quality displays, I think we can all understand the sentiment of "Keep your greasy fingers off my workstation screens", lol.

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