Daz Central Ending - New Enhanced Install Manager

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  • Stargazey said:

     

    I'll check and see if the uninstalled stuff on mine is older Poser-era products like you're seeing.

    I started off using DIM years ago, then started using DAZ Central when it became available and much prefer having the large thumbnails and being able to easily search for products. Personally I think it's a backward step to get rid of it!

    DIM does have filtering options that Central doesn't, however.

    I too was a bit confused by seeing so many items to download in DIM, but they were all older versions of Poser stuff. The easiest thing is to select them all, then hide them!

  • Richard Haseltine said:

    SapphireBlue said:

     

    Thanks Richard for the reply! I wonder if this means that I can use DIM to install stuff but still use DAZ Central to inferface with my stuff... Hmmm

    I don't believe so as Daz Central doesn't have an offline mode the way DIM does.

    sad

    Richard Haseltine said:

    SapphireBlue said:

    If you know of any DIM documentation beyond https://www.daz3d.com/install-manager-info  and the old documentation the help button in DIM takes us to, please do share it with us.

    ...

    Like you, I have a lot of things showing in the Ready to Download tab that I've already installed. Looking closer, I see that they are the Poser versions of things I've installed the DS version of. So I think we can just ignore those?

    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/install_manager/start

    Yes, and it may be worth checking the Download filters to make sure you aren't seeing things you don't want. DIM can do, and therefore show, things that Daz Central didn't.

    I somehow missed this post earlier. I'll bookmark that page and look at the download filters and settings. Thanks Richardyes

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,565

    I remember when DIM was first being introduced and I was skeptical at best - but with the Genesis 1 extensions and such being changed to help make the whole thing compatible in the (then) up-and-coming Carrara 8.5 Pro, it was kind of essential, otherwise we'd get incorrect files remaining on our system as the updates rolled out - so I gave it a try.

    Wow. It blew me away as my skepticism immediately dissolved into vague memory.

     

    For my Legacy-Style Poser content that I was so used to using in Carrara, I was able to quickly and intelligently create all of the separate "Runtimes" I used for organization and I left all DUF format content to install to the default My Daz 3D Library. 

     

    So cool! If I wanted to relocate anything from one Runtime to a different one, I can easily do so in DIM simply by uninstalling the product(s) and installing again to the preferred path. 

     

    Since then, DIM has improved and my use of it is nearly a daily thing. When I want to find the texture folder for anything, I type it into DIM, Show Installed Content, click on a texture and it takes me to the folder! 

     

    It's also very fast. Installing is a breeze and the database features ROCK!!!

     

    Big Fan of DIM - user since it first came out.

  • David RDavid R Posts: 290

    Will DAZ Central still work if you have it installed?

  • David R said:

    Will DAZ Central still work if you have it installed?

    From the previous page, and quoted above

    SapphireBlue said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Will DAZ Central not work at all? Or will it just not allow us to install new things and stuff going forward etc. but still be available for looking at previously installed products?

    Daz cenrtal will not be able to download and isntall content - it will just prompt to update to DIM.

    Thanks Richard for the reply! I wonder if this means that I can use DIM to install stuff but still use DAZ Central to inferface with my stuff... Hmmm

    I don't believe so as Daz Central doesn't have an offline mode the way DIM does.

  • HylasHylas Posts: 4,985

    As a long-time satisfied DIM user, I'm a bit concerned by that word "enhanced".

    Yeah, I really hope they won't "enhance" DIM into the ground.
  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,565

    In my many years of using it, the only Improvements have been Improvements. DIM ROCKS!

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,240

    Dartanbeck said:

    In my many years of using it, the only Improvements have been Improvements. DIM ROCKS!

    Well they did add that "notification" capability like they did in Daz Studio. I've only seen it used once, though. And they changed the color scheme which reduced the contrast of the numbers on the green background, so I can barely read them now. So not everything is improved in my opinion.

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,565
    edited November 2023

    barbult said:

    Dartanbeck said:

    In my many years of using it, the only Improvements have been Improvements. DIM ROCKS!

    Well they did add that "notification" capability like they did in Daz Studio. I've only seen it used once, though. And they changed the color scheme which reduced the contrast of the numbers on the green background, so I can barely read them now. So not everything is improved in my opinion.

    Sorry to hear. I've been very happy with every change so far. But again... I am a bit of an oddity, I think wink

    Post edited by Dartanbeck on
  • JamieMJamieM Posts: 356

    Since I installed everything with DAZ Central, DIM doesn't show any thumbnails. To get it to show those, you have to have 'Show product info tips' checked in the Advanced Settings dialog box. In the Advanced Settings > Downloads tab, make sure you have a location specified in the thumbnails archive field and the folder exists. Then select all the installed products (by selecting the single checkbox next to the Products category), right click and select Retrieve Thumbnail > All (Missing in) Selected. It took about 10/15 minutes? or more to download all the thumbnails for me, and now those are showing in DIM. 

    This was very useful. Thank you. I never knew this. It's not exactly obvious mechanics, is it?

    Now ... how can I make those tiny pictures bigger?

  • JamieM said:

    Since I installed everything with DAZ Central, DIM doesn't show any thumbnails. To get it to show those, you have to have 'Show product info tips' checked in the Advanced Settings dialog box. In the Advanced Settings > Downloads tab, make sure you have a location specified in the thumbnails archive field and the folder exists. Then select all the installed products (by selecting the single checkbox next to the Products category), right click and select Retrieve Thumbnail > All (Missing in) Selected. It took about 10/15 minutes? or more to download all the thumbnails for me, and now those are showing in DIM. 

    This was very useful. Thank you. I never knew this. It's not exactly obvious mechanics, is it?

    Now ... how can I make those tiny pictures bigger?

    You're welcome! Thought others must be in the same boat too. I found the info in some older threads in the forum... 

    I think Richard mentioned that there are no larger images like with the DAZ Central grid view, which was great for browsing or finding things based on image. In DIM, the 'tooltip' we get when hovering over items brings up a bigger image, but that's it I guess... sad

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,169

    I like DIM. I don't have a conventional folder setup (my thumbs, manifest files, installer files and installed files are all on drives other than C:. It's not difficult to go into DIM and change the paths to where your files are. When you do, THEN DIM will see them :). Having said that, my preferred method is to install manually, but I found I was missing a lot of updates that way, so I went back to DIM.

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,306

    This is good news.  DIM has worked well for me and I always thought Daz Central was a bad idea that only made things more confusing, especially for new users.

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,002

    JamieM said:

    Since I installed everything with DAZ Central, DIM doesn't show any thumbnails. To get it to show those, you have to have 'Show product info tips' checked in the Advanced Settings dialog box. In the Advanced Settings > Downloads tab, make sure you have a location specified in the thumbnails archive field and the folder exists. Then select all the installed products (by selecting the single checkbox next to the Products category), right click and select Retrieve Thumbnail > All (Missing in) Selected. It took about 10/15 minutes? or more to download all the thumbnails for me, and now those are showing in DIM. 

    This was very useful. Thank you. I never knew this. It's not exactly obvious mechanics, is it?

    Now ... how can I make those tiny pictures bigger?

    if you hover over the selection it gets a lot bigger. 

  • JamieMJamieM Posts: 356

    daveso said:

    JamieM said:

    Since I installed everything with DAZ Central, DIM doesn't show any thumbnails. To get it to show those, you have to have 'Show product info tips' checked in the Advanced Settings dialog box. In the Advanced Settings > Downloads tab, make sure you have a location specified in the thumbnails archive field and the folder exists. Then select all the installed products (by selecting the single checkbox next to the Products category), right click and select Retrieve Thumbnail > All (Missing in) Selected. It took about 10/15 minutes? or more to download all the thumbnails for me, and now those are showing in DIM. 

    This was very useful. Thank you. I never knew this. It's not exactly obvious mechanics, is it?

    Now ... how can I make those tiny pictures bigger?

    if you hover over the selection it gets a lot bigger. 

    It does but that's not  a swift, viable way of scrolling through lots of stuff. 

    If the new DIM coudl implement an option for (a) large thumbnails (b) grid view - ie like Daz Central  - then, for me, I'd feel a lot less unhappy about the  forced change to DIM.

    Daz Central has been a key part of my workflow. Maybe some people remember what all their 1000s of named items look like. I don't  - and without access to a quick way to see them and remind me that this set looks like this and that one like that, then I'm likely to use Daz a lot less. 

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,002

    was that notice via email or what? I had not seen anything about this. I've been using nothing but DIM for quite some time though, so I'm not affected. I never go online with DS. The only problem I encounter, that I know of, are the items in Lost and Found as well as products not being put into the correct category, in Smart Content. I find Content Library to be seriously hard to find things as well, so would rather not use it at all, although for content from other stores, that's about the only way to install it, AFAIK, 

  • JamieMJamieM Posts: 356

    It's a message UNDER the opening asset items in the Daz Central dashboard.  It's very easy to miss because I'd guess many users click straight on Studio Assets and never scroll down on the opening screen. 

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,002

    JamieM said:

    It's a message UNDER the opening asset items in the Daz Central dashboard.  It's very easy to miss because I'd guess many users click straight on Studio Assets and never scroll down on the opening screen. 

    Ah, thanks. I dont use daz central so probably why i didnt see it.  

  • PitmaticPitmatic Posts: 898

    Just adding that the DaZ central grid was very usefull for finding stuff visually might have said that already blush

  • Will I have to uninstall all my content and reinstall through DIM?

  • SapphireBlueSapphireBlue Posts: 955
    edited November 2023

    Pitmatic said:

    Just adding that the DaZ central grid was very usefull for finding stuff visually might have said that already blush

    Pitmatic You can totally say that a few more times. winkThat visual grid makes a huge difference in locating/discovering/remembering things! 

     

    Jorune2112 said:

    Will I have to uninstall all my content and reinstall through DIM?

    Jorune2112 No, no you don't! Dowload the latest DIM and just have a look around. All your installed stuff will be listed. DIM and Daz Central interface to the same system.

    (Just check that DIM has the same install paths as DAZ Central...)

    Post edited by SapphireBlue on
  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,405

    so. i tried the "new" DIM - since it has been changing gradually i think over the past weeks/months, i didn't see much difference. maybe the starting a product from DIM seems new to me... which i have absolutely no use for. otherwise i don't smell any disaster there...

    ok now i've given my 2 cents, i came to the forum to ask something about DIM actually - so i'll do it here:

    my HD is full. 1 TB and just a few MB left. i can't even unstall a game any more... HOWEVER.. i realized my DIM downloads, the zips, are 244GB huge. apart from a few 500GB monster zips that i can count on 1 hand, which i had to deinstall to free some space, everything i have downloaded is also installed, so i don't need the zips any more (but i wanna keep them here at home, not delete them, who knows...)..

    now as far as i've understood, as long as i leaved the manifests where they are, and just move alle those installed zips to an USB drive, DIM and DS shouldn't even notice anything, right? right? without me having to change any setting. as if i had opted for "delete installed zips" while installing...

    i don't want to mess up - i already have a bunch of products that don't appear in the smartpanel, others that have like deinstalled themselves, and no energy to find solutions about this at the moment. so the last thing i need is to lose 244GB installed files too...

  • NorthOf45NorthOf45 Posts: 5,485

    You can delete the zips, but leave the manifests in place. Yes, it will be like selecting the "Delete Package Once Installed" checkbox. I don't do that myself, but I have done it accidentally a few times, no loss of installed content.

    You can actually use the external drive for downloading, and keep them available in DIM, and install from there. Just change the Package Archive path and move everything (.zip + .dsx). I put the Thumbnail Archive next to it, just because.

    The manifest with the zip does not store the download location, so it is totally transparent. The installation manifest (in the Manifest Archive) does, however, so it would require changing them all to show the new download location from which the products were installed (or, how shall I say, would have been installed). Batch edit, replace string... 5 minutes.

  • lilweeplilweep Posts: 2,487

    I tried to use daz central and just got confused by it.  In contrast, DIM seemed very intuitive, albeit ugly UI

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,286

    I suppose it's too much to ask to be given the option to bail entirely and manually download the stuff that we currently have to go to DIM in order to download it at all.

    I've had to go to DIM to download a handful of things. Like the newer verssions of the program. So far I've been able to unzip or manually install most it on my own terms. But I would much rather be able to manually downlod whatever I want in the first place.

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,692

    JOdel said:

    I suppose it's too much to ask to be given the option to bail entirely and manually download the stuff that we currently have to go to DIM in order to download it at all.

    I've had to go to DIM to download a handful of things. Like the newer verssions of the program. So far I've been able to unzip or manually install most it on my own terms. But I would much rather be able to manually downlod whatever I want in the first place.

    You can manually download most products from the product library section of the site. That's what I do for most content.

    There are only a few things which are only available via DIM, like the betas and some plugins.

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,405

    NorthOf45 said:

    You can delete the zips, but leave the manifests in place. Yes, it will be like selecting the "Delete Package Once Installed" checkbox. I don't do that myself, but I have done it accidentally a few times, no loss of installed content.

    You can actually use the external drive for downloading, and keep them available in DIM, and install from there. Just change the Package Archive path and move everything (.zip + .dsx). I put the Thumbnail Archive next to it, just because.

    The manifest with the zip does not store the download location, so it is totally transparent. The installation manifest (in the Manifest Archive) does, however, so it would require changing them all to show the new download location from which the products were installed (or, how shall I say, would have been installed). Batch edit, replace string... 5 minutes.

    nice! thank you for the detailed explanation. i didn't realize the manifests in the two different places also had different contents, good to know.

    i'll keep my settings as they are, it's not a big feat to move new downloaded zips manually (i can't afford new products that often anyway...) - once the 244GB are done. i really don't like to meddle with default settings for apps that are so entwined like DIM and DS, with cross-references everywhere. i'm so distraught and unfocused that if i mess up, i won't even remember what i did and where...
    thanks a lot! ^^ now i can hope to have soon an only 3/4 full HD again intead of fighting to have more than 3GB free - not very much from a 1 TB HD, lol.

  • NorthOf45 said:

    You can delete the zips, but leave the manifests in place. Yes, it will be like selecting the "Delete Package Once Installed" checkbox. I don't do that myself, but I have done it accidentally a few times, no loss of installed content.

    I check the "Delete package Once Installed" box all the time. It has never caused me any problems and it keeps things more tidy. I do keep a copy oif the ZIP files for every product I've bought on an external HD "just in case" so I can do a manual install if needed.

  • For me it is manual Installation per zip file only, or *.exe for DS software.
    No DIM, DAZ Central, Smart Content or what ever, never!
    I have never understood why all those installer apps suppose to be important.

  • Daz Install Manager (DIM) has some great advantages, such as...

    1. When a product you already installed is updated, DIM provides a "Product Updates" section with a Download button for each updated product.
    2. DIM makes it easy to uninstall products you no longer want installed on your system via the Uninstall button.
    3. DIM has a "Work Offline" option which is great when you just want to get into the DIM settings to adjust download paths, etc.
    4. DIM has a good Filter/Sort function built-in, so you can set "Application Tags" and then just search for your Carrara or Hexagon content, or just your Poser or Daz Content such as Daz Horse, or Aiko 7, etc.
    5. If you have 3rd party products without Smart Content, you can add smart content via Content Wizard and then export a new Zip File for that product and load it into the DIM Downloads folder to install/uninstall using DIM.

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