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For what it's worth, today it's ringing up 2x tokens for every $5 spent, meaning Premier can refill tokens for a little over $20. I'm sure the double token Mondays aren't a guarantee but as long as they're around that's pretty nifty.
The more I think on it, the more I'm convinced that Premier is meant for newcomers. The free bundle has no real theme, so seems to be designed to pad someone's library more than anything, and the tools included are all available for purchase separately.
So that 228 dollars at the end of the year might be a lot for features most of uslikely already have access to, but to some newbie that just wants to try things out, for a month at 20 bucks it gets them those tools, and a bundle of characters.
For newcomers, it's worth it, sure.
For the rest of their long term customer base, they could have, and should have designed this a bit more friendly toward us. We're effectively being paywalled out of updates to those products we already purchased.
It seems premier is heavily focused on Genesis 9. All the premier budles on offer for premier members are G9, the premier conversion tool is to G9. looking less and less attractive to me.
Thanks, Cam Fox. As someone who just went back to Daz Studio after several years (blame COVID), that fee of $20/month looks fair if you're going to get a free bundle like that along with the DAZ+ discount, extra monthly/weekly freebies and coupons. This new sub tier looks like it's aimed at newcomers and returning customers like me.
My Daz+ sub was good through May 1st. I upgraded to Premier and my sub is still good through April 29th. So, good there. All my new benefits are showing up. The problem I'm having is the coupon code for the free bundle for this month is saying it's invalid.
Thanks! It looks like I have to contact support to upgrade the membership, so I sent them a message.
I saw that too, I bet they're underwater with requests. Go to messages ( https://www.daz3d.com/notifier/inbox ) and see if you have the personalized offer to upgrade and do it from there. It was instant/automatic but that was the only place I could find it. If you're not already subscribed to Daz Plus you might not have that notification.
2x tokens and 30% gift cards might be just today. (And if you miss them it's no biggie, there's always another sale cycle.)
I'm somewhat confused by what is / isn't going to be included in the premier vs. the free version.
If they're adding additional functionality beyond what was already there, that's one thing. If they're paywalling functionality that's already included in the pro version of the software and removing it from the non-premier versions of DAZ Studio, I guess I'll be sticking to 4.22 Pro for the foreseeable future.
This seems to be targeted more towards newcomers and businesses that prefer to rent software. I don't see a lot of benefit for longtime customers. Part of the appeal of DAZ for me has always been owning content rather than renting access to it.
I'm also not thrilled with the removal of yearly memberships, as well as the price hike on DAZ+. This will probably result in me cancelling my membership and then only subscribing for a month if I see an amazing deal. In practice, this means I'll probably end up spending less at DAZ.
No, they're not paywalling functionality that's already included in the pro version of the software. Mesh Grabber, Render Queue and ect., are not included with pro. Those are separate products that can be bought. Now whether or not this means those standalones won't receive any updates to make sure they don't break with new updates of Pro now that Daz is including a version of them with the Premier subscription, who knows.
If the plugins no longer work on new versions of Studio, and are not updated, then we'll be back to the days when there were users with various versions of Studio in use at the same time, and every new plugin release generated a support nightmare. I seem to recall years ago DAZ upgraded everyone to the same release to ease the burden on their support staff.
I am dearly hoping they are not using Manfriday's character converter in Premier, because it cannot actually convert Genesis 3 characters.
Anyone with the Premier version, please test if Gen 3 converts fine?
Can anyone else confirm this? Specifically, if our existing Daz+ subscriptions, with associated expiry dates, remain in place should someone wish to subscribe to Premier? This is relevant for those that might want to try it out but don't want to lose their existing Daz+ memberships, thas having their existing Daz+ membership to fall back on if they decide that Premier is not for them and they decide to opt out, but still do the Daz+ thing with the Daz+ membership renewal that they previously purchased.
If this is indeed the case, the variation in the number of free months being offered might make a bit more sense, as it could be based on how much you've been buying stuff from the store lately, as opposed to how many months of your Daz+ membership that you may have left.
Just looking for clarification here, for those that might want to know how this works.
I was less than 2 weeks for renewal, so it looks like the instant upgrade option wasn't offered. It must be if you have some time left on your membership (more than a few weeks).
For the life of me I just can't find any way to get the Premier membership!
Every link sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page that gives you another link that sends you to another page...
I don't know if that's enough to express the nightmare loop of this crappy release of an unpolished new feature... I tried multiple browser, I tried multiple platform, I tried multiple accounts, I tried unsubscribing to DAZ+ just in case of a conflict, I just can't seem to make it work... What did I miss?
$228 for render queue, mesh grabber, and simulation selector? I don't think I paid more than $20 for those three items. And then you have to $228 again next year. Even it they were $50, that's better than $228 per year.
And your premise for newcomers makes no sense: They don't have old models that need converting.
Frankly, I expect 3rd party stores will have all those "features" available not too long from now.
It now seems to me that there's no reason to upgrade for the features. They are not, with the best will in the world, "advanced capabilities for ... content creation". They are some very basic features which 3D software really outht to have, and you could add anyway without needing to rent them.
The question for me now is whether the better discounts would save me money. Given I'm expected to swap 18 months for 4, that feels a little unlikely.
It also appears that Daz+ now costs almost twice as much, and no yearly option probably precludes any discouts, so in reality, it's more like a 4x price increase.
Hmmmm.
And you're not even buying them; they're gone when you quit Pro.
If they wanted to break all the plugins, they'd release Daz 5.
I just got my bundle for free. Note that there is a "shop now" link beside that coupon, and it only works for these bundles. Mine showed five.
Not sure what happens if you already own all of these. But there are still 24 days in this month for new bundles, I assume - though not for me.
BTW: I upgraded from Daz+. Not that should make a difference, but Premiere popped up with two new $10-discounts. I already used one $6 at DAZ+, the other not. So if you upgrade I propose you use both before you do so...
Are the "FREE" bundles anything to do with the "NEW" bundles created for the old Daz figures? (Tara, Walter, Lawrence etc..)
Not so sure, have to admit I have no interest in it so I did not read all details, but as far as I understand the "free" bundles are not free, they are part of the subscription, so if you use them or create any content with them it will only work as long as you subscribe, stop subscribing and nothing based on the "free" bundles will work unless you buy it, this may not be obvious to everyone as it is advertised as "free".
As long as they don't move features from DS that I already have to subs I don't care much, I don't do subscriptions.
If you mean how to subscribe to Premier, if you get into your account you should see a "membership management" button, click there and then choose premier, you'll get a popup to make the payment unless you don't have a billing address registered, in that case you'll get first a pop up to add a billing address but mine was bugged so I had to do it directly in adress book and then go back to membership management.
If you mean that you already subscribed but can't find a way to get Daz Studio Premier... join the club
I think this is permanent, DAZ put it together with these gifts
FREE monthly Legacy content
Weekly and monthly free content
One FREE Character Bundle monthly
If this is only available to premium members, then it would not be to choose one every month (which is too stingy), it only makes sense that all characters can be used.
2. I am not interested in renting assets.
3. I am not interested in having to be online to render.
4. The subscription page in my account shows the basic free tier despite having paid for Daz+ well into the future. Also, the details of my membership (dates, etc) are no longer visible.
5. I have a "Personalized Offer" in my messages that leads to the above non-functional subscription page.
6. This experienced has soured my excitement and enthusiasm for the Daz+ sale and shopping here in general. How can I be excited when Daz is upending the status quo and possibly becoming something with which I no longer wish to engage? And when the launch is such a disaster - and offers so little information - as to make it difficult to determine whether that is the case or not?
Crossposted from Daz+ forum.
The Premier announcement is a huge slap in the face of the existing Plus users and Daz users in general (I'd use stronger words here, much stronger, if the forum allowed it). No serious company I've seen drops something like that without at least a month's notice (let alone even a day's notice). It's not only an introducion of Premier, but from what I can see, also change of the existing rules for Daz+ members: no yearly memberships anymore, and a price hike on top of that. All other companies offering subscriptions that I'm aware of communicate raising their prices ahead of time.
This should have been communicated properly, ahead of time, and definitely tested website-wise (so that there wouldn't be situations like that, and if there were, people would already be aware because of the prior communication). This is not just some promotion. This is a fundamental model change, and it seems to have been done without any prior considerations of the existing model (usually, the intro offers entice existing users by offering more in value than less; for my 8 months of existing membership with Daz+, I get 1 month of Premier free—definitely not a good deal).
I understand Daz needs to make money. I understand that this might be the only option for them to stay in business (I don't know, of course, but I can consider this perspective). But the way they handled it is so unprofessional and not in line with any serious company's standards and is extremely appaling to me.
This unprofessional behavior severely damages my trust in Daz as a company, because they're showing they will change the rules without any notice, and that will affect my willingness to give them money. What if they say in three months that I have to pay to even use Daz Studio? And so on.
On top of that, I'm definitely not moving to monthly model (it's highly inconvenient to me to pay monthly, I pay for 99% of my services yearly) until my current membership expires (which is mid-2025), and I'll likely limit my spending in general as a response (natural shopper reaction: you don't want to spend money in a place you don't trust anymore), which in turn will lead to not moving to the monthly model afterward, since I won't perceive the benefits of joining with lower spending and less enthusiastic shopping habits, and when they pull off another stunt like that, it's more likely that I'll be willing to pay more money elsewhere just not to support them.
Talkign about subscribing, it either take me for a loop as said or send me to the account membership page where it tells me I'm at base membership (when I should be at +) and with nothing I can interact with, no buttons (beside links that send me again on the loop pages of information).
I get that there must be a conflict somewhere that makes things kind of like a Kafkaesque nightmare, but it's just start getting on my nerves... ^^
I just hoped that someone else had the same problem and found a work around.
Disappointed, bored, and depressed by the Premier tier.
Disappointed because now Daz+ is going to get lesser discounts. You could have just left Daz+ with the same discounts and given Premier better ones. Instead, you've slightly decreased the one in favor of the other.
Bored, because Premier is offering the same stuff I've been ignoring in sale after sale after sale. "Ohhh, have some legacy stuff." Already got all I want out of that, thanks.
Depressed because of the "Premier features and content in Daz!" aspect. It implies that in the future, I'm not going to be able to purchase things that would be beneficial - and anyone that's foolish enough to think that renting content is a benefit, let me just remind you that you don't control whether you continue to get access to anything you've rented; it can be deleted, removed from rental, or otherwise no longer in your control at any time.
May this fail as resoundingly as the "some products are available only through Install Manager!" promotion several years ago. Me and my 2.5TB of content are gonna be over here still at Daz+ level, ignoring all this Premier crap until it dies the death it deserves.
That is better than my offer. I'm only offered 3 months free membership ($56.94 value) in exchange for 28 months of already paid for DAZ+ membership ($279.72 value). That doesn't sound like a good deal to me. While it may be based on what we paid years ago that doesn't change what it is worth today.
A better offer would have to let us upgrade for the length of our current DAZ+ subscription to Premeir at a cost equal to the difference between the cost of DAZ+ and Premier ($appx $9 per month.
I use blender now why pay for a subscription when the free tool can do so much better. Now if they added the hd tools into the subscription that would be an absolute no brainer I would have used daz software more. But with being able to sculpt and add detail on the fly for renders in blender is so much easier when you learn the program. I really hope daz at least let us use the hd tools some time in our life.