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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,053

    kyoto kid said:

    TesseractSpace said:

    Robert Freise said:

    TesseractSpace said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Ron Knights said:

    So far I don't see enough offerings to be worth the subscription fee. And DAZ Connect killed the deal for me. I thought we'd finally buried DAZ Connect.

    I still can't help wonder if this subscription thing is a prelude to DAZ Studio 5. 

    No features are being removed from Daz Studio, we already know that.

    Do we though? We thought Daz would never bring back Connect encrypted content. But do we actually have an ironclad guarantee they won't change their mind between today and the release of Studio 5.0? Because absent one, neither you or I can say with certainty, and Daz has a history of doubling down on unpopular decisions (the aforementioned Connect Encrypted Content and NFTs come to mind.) 

    All we know is they didn't remove any from 4.23, and say they don't think they'll remove features in future, but everything I've seen falls far short of an actual guarantee.

    Yeah I remember years ago wnen Daz took over Poser Pros and said that all of our purchases would always be available. Then when they shut down Poser Pros I lost all access to to everything that I had purchased there with the exception of a few textures and shaders 

    I remember those days. Sadly the reality is any business decision can be changed later by new priorities or new management. All we can do is hope they don't change their minds this time or take steps to protect ourselves in case they do.

    ...then they bought RDNA and put all their content in the store which made it harder to sift thriugh during sales.

    I also miss Poser Pros.

    As to 5 breaking things because of the new SDK, I am rather concerned.  For example I still have  and use GenX and GenX2.  As the PA is gone these likely will not be updated for Daz5. It makes me wonder what other plugins may fall by the wayside as well. 

    I'm taking the attitude of assuming that we'll be looking at losing a large number of the plug-ins, whether the PA is still around or not, to the point where I may opt to remain with DS4.  That's certainly how it played out last time, where I lost several dozen plug-ins even though some of those PAs not only remained extremely active in the store, but are still active (Dreamlight... cough  cough) and at least one was actually made by DAZ itself (Figure Mixer).  At the very least, beside GenX, I'm bracing for most support for Optitex dynamic products to drop, as well as the more advanced 3DL shaders and lighting.  Not that I'm saying that that WILL happen, as I have no inside information, but it feels likely that the introduction of DS5 will be the optimum time to drop/stop paying licensing for products that really haven't been supported for years.  

           

  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,058
    edited October 20

    TesseractSpace said:

    Ghosty12 said:

    Did find out that Aiko Anime 9 is Premier only as seen on this page. https://www.daz3d.com/filatoon-shaders-and-shapes sad

    Yeah, it's extremely disappointing to see a base character locked to a subscription, I hope they reconsider and don't do this to base characters going forward. I'm not sure there'd be much point in shopping here if all base characters ended up subscription only. Hopefully they can figure out a better balance for premier extras. If non-subscribers have nothing of value to get here, they'll leave. 

     

    Yeah I was disappointed when I saw that, as I would of bought Aiko Anime 9 to compliment what I have recently bought. Hopefully with anything new incoming they don't, but with how things are it is a case of who the heck knows now.

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,053

    Ghosty12 said:

    TesseractSpace said:

    Ghosty12 said:

    Did find out that Aiko Anime 9 is Premier only as seen on this page. https://www.daz3d.com/filatoon-shaders-and-shapes sad

    Yeah, it's extremely disappointing to see a base character locked to a subscription, I hope they reconsider and don't do this to base characters going forward. I'm not sure there'd be much point in shopping here if all base characters ended up subscription only. Hopefully they can figure out a better balance for premier extras. If non-subscribers have nothing of value to get here, they'll leave. 

     

    Yeah I was disappointed when I saw that, as I would of bought Aiko Anime 9 to compliment what I have recently bought. Hopefully with anything new incoming they don't, but with how things are it is a case of who the heck knows now.

    I'd be more disappointed if it weren't for the fact that there really isn't much to Aiko 9 Anime other than the name.  It's not as though there aren't already a ton of decent toon-style figures already available for Genesis9... in fact, it's the really the one niche where I think the G9s have truly shined... and dialing up something close to A9 doesn't look like it will be all that difficult, especially if one imports the Sakura 8 shape.  As a long running plan it would seem like a really dumb idea to continue wasting Brand names that are strongly associated with full base figure sets for something that's little more than a shape and a PR stunt, but DAZ has quite happily done equally ridiculous things in the past... 

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,146
    edited October 20

    Cybersox said:

    Ron Knights said:

    I'm pretty certain that DAZ won't keep DAZ 4.XX around once DAZ Studio 5 is released.

    For some of us, I believe that they'll HAVE to keep some form of DS 4 active, as I, and others, actually purchased DS 4 pro back during the period when it was a pay for item.  If the DS 4 to 5 transition follows the pattern for the transition of the paid version of DS 3 Advanced to DS 4, that would mean it will remain in your library as a manual download item along with the associated items like figure Mixer.  Now, for all those of who got DS 4 Pro as freeware, that's not such a sure thing... but given how many add-ons for DS4 are bound to stop working whenever DS 5 rears it's head, it seems unlikely that they could get away with simply pulling the plug without warning given that they're still happily selling all that product that may be rendered unusable in 5.      

    Probably "keep it around" like they have verion 2 and 3 - the final release version will be in our product library availablle for download; if we want to have access to any other version we will need to archive it. And be sure to archive everything if you go that route - Daz Studio, all the Daz and third party plugins and all the 'starter essentials'.

    But once 5.x arrives I expect all work on 4.5 to stop.

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  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,714

    trhancock said:

    Hi,

    I'm considering upgrading my membership to DAZ Premier. I hope this is the right place to ask a question or two as below.

    Sometime in the last few months I renewed my annual DAZ Plus subscription, so that it is paid-up until 2025-11-28, that is, more than a year in advance.

    My main question is, if I go to Premier, will I receive an appropriate deduction for what I have prepaid as above? (If not, that wouldn't seem fair.)

    If I upgrade via my Personalized Offer, i.e. the Unique Offer web dialog at https://www.daz3d.com/subscription/membership/offer, will I get this deduction automatically, in addition to the free 2 months Premier as per the Offer?

    That is, as in the following offer on the web dialog:

    "Your Unique Offer
    Upgrade now and get 2 months toward your Premier Subscription!"

    If you mean get a discount on premier membership until the end of your current Daz+ membership, the answer is no.

    If you use the offer to switch to Premier membership, you will get the 2 months offered instead of your remaining Daz+ months. The number of months offered to you was computed based on what you paid for your Daz+ membership. 

    A second question:

    At the time when I upgrade my membership, do I have to upgrade my DAZ Studio software at that time? I have an issue, in fact a longstanding ticket one year old now with no answer yet from Technical Support, which prevents me upgrading from DAZ Studio 4.21 until this is resolved. (It's ID 445392, in case you can give the guys a nudge please!) Therefore I will not be able to upgrade the software yet. I hope this is not a problem when upgrading membership.

    You could join the membership without upgrading DS to get the discounts, but if you want to use the premier plugins you will need DS 4.23, they won't work with earlier versions of DS.

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 1,785

    Many years ago I was obsessed with the idea of saving all the original install files. I think that was when I still wanted to do manual installs.

    I wanted the "exe" install files (Windows) as well as the Apple-format files. But I kept running out of hard drive space.

    Gradually, over the years, I bought larger hard drives. And I became more selective in what I saved.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,888

    TesseractSpace said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    I am satisifed that there is no plan to turn Daz Studio 5 into de jure or de facto rentware. The world being the world it is of course possible that events will pan out otherwise, but if they do I don't believe it will be down to the working out of cunning plan already set in motion and I will not accept an unqualified "told ya!" from those currently predicting doom.

    I doubt there's a cunning plan, more that they're making sure they have the option should they decide to use it. And that if changes like subscription content aren't fought at every turn, it may become more tempting to take that course since customers clearly didn't object enough to stop the earlier changes. Pity there's no better way to give DAZ feedback. 

    Well, forum protests don't directly reach Daz - they have only our ragged and bruised appearance to go by. And if the torcch and pitchfork waving throng storming the castle is not sufficiently impressive (as judged by the state of the coffers) it can actually send the opposite message.

    I see there used to be a feedback option in support, but it looks to have been removed, guess they're scared to find out what customers think of Premier.

  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,406

    Richard Haseltine said:

    TesseractSpace said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    I am satisifed that there is no plan to turn Daz Studio 5 into de jure or de facto rentware. The world being the world it is of course possible that events will pan out otherwise, but if they do I don't believe it will be down to the working out of cunning plan already set in motion and I will not accept an unqualified "told ya!" from those currently predicting doom.

    I doubt there's a cunning plan, more that they're making sure they have the option should they decide to use it. And that if changes like subscription content aren't fought at every turn, it may become more tempting to take that course since customers clearly didn't object enough to stop the earlier changes. Pity there's no better way to give DAZ feedback. 

    Well, forum protests don't directly reach Daz - they have only our ragged and bruised appearance to go by. And if the torcch and pitchfork waving throng storming the castle is not sufficiently impressive (as judged by the state of the coffers) it can actually send the opposite message.

    I see there used to be a feedback option in support, but it looks to have been removed, guess they're scared to find out what customers think of Premier.

    Believe me, I'd rather send feedback directly, but the option for general feedback no longer appears in the support ticket form. So I'm left with little to do but stop spending money and vent in the forums in the hopes someone there might glance at the thread someday.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,888
    edited October 20
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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,050
    edited October 21

    Ron Knights said:

    Many years ago I was obsessed with the idea of saving all the original install files. I think that was when I still wanted to do manual installs.

    I wanted the "exe" install files (Windows) as well as the Apple-format files. But I kept running out of hard drive space.

    Gradually, over the years, I bought larger hard drives. And I became more selective in what I saved.

    ...I have a collection of installers that goes back to ver.1.8.  

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  • NathNath Posts: 2,804

    Why am I suddenly seeing a whole bunch of manually added to my account Premier Items, about half of them marked inactive? It has to be a mistake. I'm not in Premier, and assume these are not even usable for a peasant DAZ+ user (I also can't be *rsed to find out, tbh).

    I can barely find my purchases from today among all the garbage files.

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  • felisfelis Posts: 4,327

    Nath said:

    Why am I suddenly seeing a whole bunch of manually added to my account Premier Items, about half of them marked inactive? It has to be a mistake. I'm not in Premier, and assume these are not even usable for a peasant DAZ+ user (I also can't be *rsed to find out, tbh).

    I can barely find my purchases from today among all the garbage files.

    I have something similar. My guess is it has been added to all, and then will become 'active' if joining Premier.

    Why that way... no idea. Maybe it was the easiest way to manage for Daz. 

  • WolfwoodWolfwood Posts: 734

    .I'm not even Daz+ and they apear. Inactive are the beta versions, the 'regular' one does not show as inactive, can be download from site and are available via DIM.

    In the library i can even see ElfVicky and Aiko 9. But not able to download on site and do not apear on DIM. Do show grayed if i login to connect.

  • felis said:

    Nath said:

    Why am I suddenly seeing a whole bunch of manually added to my account Premier Items, about half of them marked inactive? It has to be a mistake. I'm not in Premier, and assume these are not even usable for a peasant DAZ+ user (I also can't be *rsed to find out, tbh).

    I can barely find my purchases from today among all the garbage files.

    I have something similar. My guess is it has been added to all, and then will become 'active' if joining Premier.

    Why that way... no idea. Maybe it was the easiest way to manage for Daz. 

    It has to be a mistake, surely. I've just clicked the select all box in DIM and ended up downloadubg a bunch of plugins for random builds I don't have. They - unsurprisingly without a path to the required builds - don't even install.

  • NathNath Posts: 2,804

    felis said:

    Nath said:

    Why am I suddenly seeing a whole bunch of manually added to my account Premier Items, about half of them marked inactive? It has to be a mistake. I'm not in Premier, and assume these are not even usable for a peasant DAZ+ user (I also can't be *rsed to find out, tbh).

    I can barely find my purchases from today among all the garbage files.

    I have something similar. My guess is it has been added to all, and then will become 'active' if joining Premier.

    Why that way... no idea. Maybe it was the easiest way to manage for Daz. 

    Could be it; oh well, they'll be out of sight then when I make it to another page of stuff in there 

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 4,115

    I just asked about this in https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/704811/premier-membership-faq-questions-only-please#latest because I couldn't think of another place to put it. I wasn't sure if someone had activated a Premiere membership on me without my knowledge. Still DAZ+ only.

  • ainm.sloinneadh said:

    felis said:

    Nath said:

    Why am I suddenly seeing a whole bunch of manually added to my account Premier Items, about half of them marked inactive? It has to be a mistake. I'm not in Premier, and assume these are not even usable for a peasant DAZ+ user (I also can't be *rsed to find out, tbh).

    I can barely find my purchases from today among all the garbage files.

    I have something similar. My guess is it has been added to all, and then will become 'active' if joining Premier.

    Why that way... no idea. Maybe it was the easiest way to manage for Daz. 

    It has to be a mistake, surely. I've just clicked the select all box in DIM and ended up downloadubg a bunch of plugins for random builds I don't have. They - unsurprisingly without a path to the required builds - don't even install.

    It's either DS plu 

  • TheKDTheKD Posts: 2,691

    I guess I will probably be sticking with 4.21 that I have now and know it works, and probably doesn't have any DRM malware built in. Better guard the installer with my life I guess, will have to go in the moat next to my copy of photoshop pre cloud crap lol.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,888

    TheKD said:

    I guess I will probably be sticking with 4.21 that I have now and know it works, and probably doesn't have any DRM malware built in. Better guard the installer with my life I guess, will have to go in the moat next to my copy of photoshop pre cloud [stuff] lol.

    Connect has been prsent in DS for many years and versions, and that is what is used for the content. I don't know about the plug-in toggle, but I think there was stuff in the chnage log relating to plug-in activation around the time they added the face Transfer tool (which can be used to Save only three times). Nothing is being taken away, just new tools (or new versions of older PA tools, which still work) added.

  • HorusRaHorusRa Posts: 1,664
    edited October 30

    This new membership thing just sounds bad, especially at a time like this, or at least here in the U.S. with a bad economy and inflation being the way it is.. I suspect a fair number of people may not take a paying membership. My Daz Membership expires in dec and I'm not sure I will be able to renew, just can't afford these price hikes. So Daz+ will now be $100.00 a year, with evidently no option for quarterly pricing. I think that other store is charging 39 yearly, and even then that's a price reduction after a price hike which quite obviously did not work out for them, not now, not with inflation and some world economies being what they are. Hope Daz don't make a mistake.

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  • Lonesome CowboyLonesome Cowboy Posts: 158
    edited November 14

    Answer to Totte and others:

    Inflation is no justification for such a drastic increase (from PC to DAZ+) of $50. It could have been adjusted over the years. I wouldn't have said anything about $10, but $50 has no real justification. There is no equivalent value.
    I wonder why DAZ then throws out or offers things for "poor" on the other hand.
    I also looked at the premium account. There are some nice things in it, but you don't really need it.
    - The plugins are certainly useful, but you can live without them.
    - I haven't bought the original bundles for a long time. Firstly, I don't need the 100th version of G9F or G9M just because the new character has a freckle on the cheek and secondly, the bundles usually contain a lot of for me useless things. I prefer to buy the individual items, like certain clothes, separately.
    - There are also storage space reasons: I have 2 large hard drives, but they will also be full at some point if I keep buying so much. My PC is already having problems starting up because of this, even though it's new.
    - I'm sure one or two bundles will "itch" me, but I'll have to practice doing without more in the future.
    - Whether I get $15 or $10 now... well... nice, but not soooo relevant.
    - I will miss the 2x $6 discount per month, though.

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  • Kev914Kev914 Posts: 1,113
    edited November 14

    It's funny. I was a plus member for a long time. I accepted the offer to go Premiere. Everything was fine. But today I just noticed that I am a Basic member. I nver got any notice from Daz. Or from my credit card company for that matter. Not sure what happened. Guess I'll take my time and decide what I want to do now.

    Edited to fix spelling mistakes I didn't notice.

    Post edited by Kev914 on
  • Kev914Kev914 Posts: 1,113

    Well, I see that ist's fixed now.

  • Kev914 said:

    It's funny. I was a plus member for a long time. I accepted the offer to go Premiere. Everything was fine. But today I just noticed that I am a Basic member. I nver go any notice from Daz. Or from my credit card company for that mater. Not sure what happened. Guess I'll take my time and decide what I want to go now.

    i've been dumped too yet the membership is supposed to renew automatically... i guess it's just another function of Daz that does't work as advertised. 

    Anyway i don't feel like there's any rush to rejoin, so if Daz is happy with this arrangement then i guess i am too.

  • Kev914 said:

    Well, I see that ist's fixed now.

    I was able to pass your details over for checking and yes, they fixed it since you had Auto-renew on and seemed happy to do that from your previous post.

  • Kev914Kev914 Posts: 1,113

    Yes  thank you for that, Richard!

  • gfdamron1gfdamron1 Posts: 277
    After a lapse of a few days my Premier membership auto-renewed. I had planned on rejoining when the better sales kicked off anyway.
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