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...So...Apple Silcon doesn't have two sets of memory.
Is it only the rendering software that determines what cores it uses, as opposed to the OS moving things to the better ones for a task?
Has anyone done any kind of benchmarks for Apple Silcon vs like a PC with Nvidia? (likely not M4, but maybe previously?)
so, that'll be a whole need shader system to learn?
Indeed - but filatoon is based on it, and I guess it will expand over time, not good for animations, not eally for images, yet.
Not good for animation or images?
sorry, good, good for animations!
Was editing and edited badly :P
Can anyone help me figure out why I can't get DAZ working on my MBPro 16" M3 Max.
I had it working - for like, the first time ever, really really great not too long ago; and made the mistake of doing some kind of update, and then it broke and crashes and is not able to get database working errors again, I had to completely remove every scrap of DAZ off of it and try again, and it still had issues; I had to install it on a parallels windows 11 arm and that is barely working.
Wish, after years of wishing, that mac support would be better.
The most common issues are installation going wrong of the postgres CMS (mostly because Apple made a decision on that data in your ~/Library/Applicaltion Support/ folder should be accessible by anyone in your group (grp access) while postgres only likes to open a database where only the user has access to it (no grp access). Doing update permissions will, not always, but often, make the postgres db go sad, but you can look in the ~/Library/Application Support/Daz 3D/cms/ folder to check that:
(a) You have a ContentCluster folder
(b) what errors are reported in the in the ~/Library/Application Support/Daz 3D/cms/ContentCluster/dblog.txt file (does it yell about access permissions?)
Let's start there...
1/ The rendering engine is the key element to determine if the rendering will be done with the CPU or the GPU. So with Daz Studio on Mac, Iray rendering can only use the CPU.
2/ There is a 45 long pages compilation of benchmark to get an idea how fast Iray is on GPU:
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/341041/daz-studio-iray-rendering-hardware-benchmarking/p1
And @memcneil70 did the same benchmark on a M1 Pro:
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/7369491/#Comment_7369491
The key element to compare is the number of iterations per second (the number of iterations done per second will vary from scenes to scenes and doing a higher resolution render will also lower it, but the benchmark still give an idea about the relative performance of various CPU and GPU):
M4 Pro is faster than M1 Pro, but I think at best, a M4 Pro's CPU will be able to do 1 iteration per second.
So is the video card GPU rendering about nine times faster than the M4 CPU rendering?
Much depending on scene and videocard, but about so. Simple scenes (like prop promos) kind of render instantly with a fast GPU (hitting final 95% coverage in like 2 seconds.
But some huge scenes cannot even be rendered with videocards unless you have A6000s with 48 GB VRAM or A40s with 80 GB VRAM (and the price of those are huge unless you rent by the hour, then you get down to like 8-12 dollars an hour. Those cards cost like 5k USD.
Of course, with the M4 Chip DAZ Studio Is rendering in emulation. I expect that it would be faster if it were running natively on the macOS. In that case, might the difference in speed be less than nine times faster on a Windows machine?
I don't think so. I think Iray in DS has had native Arm code for macOS since January of 2022:
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/7616791/#Comment_7616791
- Greg
I don't think we'd see any evidence of that until there's a native Mac version of DAZ Studio.
Over the last few years, it looks like the average difference between native and emulated applications seems to be clocking in between 15 and 25%. I'd be surprised if a native version of D|S bumped the rendering speed up more than 25%, still very low compared to high-end NVidia cards. That said, a Mac-native D|S on an M4 Pro Mac Mini with 64 GB of RAM would run Filament faster than I'd ever need. Hopefully we'll see that in my lifetime.
I too keep hoping that 2025 will be the year in which DAZ Studio will run natively On the latest, Mac OS with the M Silicone Chips, And I can buy a Mac studio or another Macintosh pro with The latest M chip.
text to speech capitalizes erratically, and it doesn't punctuate beautifully either.
I just talked to three different people at Apple Computer. One in Technical Support, who Sent me to sales, who sent me to media services. My question was if I bought a new Macintosh pro laptop, which has thunderbolt five ports, what would I need to connect it up to my late 2013 edition McIntosh pro, Which has thunderbolt two ports?
Finally, the guy in media services told me just to use Wi-Fi, and said he didn't see anything about cable connections. But there must be a way to do this.
One friend told me I could use my thunderbolt two cable but get a thunderbolt 2 to 3 connector, and the thunderbolt five port is the same size as the thunderbolt three port. I do have a thunderbolt two cable which I use to connect up external drives.
Or would I need to buy a thunderbolt five cable and have that 2 to 3 connector hooked up to one end of it?
I think that trying to bring over all those Daz studio files with Wi-Fi would just be horribly slow.
can anyone help me with this question?
If it were me, I'd pick up a decent hard drive and transfer everything to it, then from it to the new computer. It's a little slower, but it also creates a full back-up while you do it.
If it's just moving data from machine A to Machine B, do they have ethernet ports? I would just connect them with an ethernet cable and fileshare files over.
Wifi isn't an option for an old 2013 MacPro as they have slow Wifi compared to new machines, but they have 1GBit ethernet ports.
Well, I just had a good discussion with my friend ChatGPT. He specified exactly how to do it. For ethernet The Mac Pro laptop being sold now at Apple does not have an ethernet porch, so ChatGPT said that I'd have to use like a USB-C adapter and connect that to the thunderbolt port.
But Talked about using a thunderboltb two thunderbolt three connector on the thunderbolt two cable and plugging the connector part into the new Mac laptop.
Chat said that would be preferable to using a thunderbolt five cable and plugging the connector onto the old Mac Thunderbolts two port, because he said that the connectors from going from 2 to 3 are Bulky on the older Mac side, while they are less bulky on the thunderbolt five port side.
I don't know why none of the three Apple people I talk to didn't know at all how to do this. Maybe it's because I called on a Saturday and they don't have their best staff there.
I'm doing this using speech to text so if you see some funny punctuation or capitalization, that just happens.
I'd be very wary of trusting ChatGPT, certainly without checking its claims against real data generated by humans with actual understanding of the topic.
ChatGPT said you'd try to sow distrust...
Ethernet over firewire is fast, but back to the fact that there are a lack of fuctionality in the Thunderbolt 2 -> (3-4-5/USB-C) converters. I use one to connect my old thunderbolt display to the macStudio (works) but tried to use one to connect a thunderbolt 2 drive to it (didnt work), so it seems like not all protocols are fully supported.
Well, I agree with checking with actual human beings first. I have a friend who lives next-door who is tech savvy. He owns two Macs. He said that he thought an ethernet cable would be best. He said we could use an adapter on the Macintosh Pro laptop, if I bought that, because that product does not have an ethernet port. The Mac Studios And the Macintosh Pros Do have ethernet ports.
Also, I'm fortunate to have a cousin who served as a vice president in charge of information technology For a large bank. He also knows something about computers and even vast networks. So yes, I would seek out human help and not just go along with what ChatGPT Suggests.
One of the things ChatGPT Suggested, is that if we were to use the ethernet connection, rather than letting the OS choose a dynamic Wi-Fi connection, It would be better to set up a stable Wi-Fi connection, because that would be faster. ChatGPT Even suggested the configuration numbers. I checked with my next-door neighbor, and he agrees.
So my conclusion is that ChatGPT Certainly knew more than any of the Macintosh people I spoke to at Apple. The person in Technical Support at Apple sent me over to sales. I asked if the sales people would know the answer to that, and the Technical Support person said yes. The sales person did not know the answer, and transferred me to something called "Media Services," Which she said, would know the answer. The third person I spoke to said that he didn't see anything, I guess he was looking on the web, About connecting to computers with the cables. He said it's all done with Wi-Fi now, And said to just be sure that both computers were on the same network. I did follow up taking the Apple survey that they sent me, And I reported this to Apple, indicating that I was not happy with the supposed "Help" That I received.
OK, I have a question about the thunderbolt cables not working with every product. I do have a back up drive, with tthunderbolt 2 Ports, on which I've stored home movies and 3-D files that I've created. If I do transfer to a new Mac, which uses a thunderbolt 5 Port, I'd want to be able to access that drive. If a thunderbolt connector did not work, Then what could I do? I'm hoping I could get some company, either Apple, or maybe the Geek Squad over at Best Buy, to take that drive and transfer the contents over to a drive that has a Thunderbolt 5 Port. Is this possible? Has anyone done something like this before?
I think you should bring your drive to the Genius Bar and tell them, I want to connect this disk the "that" machine, when I buy it, can you help me?
Apple is selling a bi-directionnal Thunderbolt 2 to Thunderbolt 3 adapter and it's working fine on my Macbook Pro 14" to plug Apple's Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter in a Thunderbolt 4 port but I don't remember using it with anything else.
I don't believe that the Genius Bar or Apple Computer would do that transfer. I did check again with ChatGPT, and just said basically the same thing. It recommended Ace, data recovery, salvage, data, recovery, or secure data recovery, as companies that would perform these services. It said that Ace data recovery has extensive experience with McIntosh computers and transferring data from one kind of drive to another.
It also said that the Geek Squad at Best Buy would be able to perform the service provided that there is no damage to the drive. The other companies that are recommended above would apparently be able to perform more extensive services and would probably be able to help even if there was damage to the drive.
I do have some experience with the genius bar at Apple stores, of which there are a number in my area. They basically make recommendations and might refer a customer to companies who could perform certain services. If it's the Apple Computer itself, that is in need of repair, They can accept it and send it in to be repaired. I don't believe they will perform any repair function on an external hard drive, especially one that is third-party, even if it's a drive that Apple sells on its own website.
I'm just providing this for information and clarification. If anyone has more information on this or wishes to make modifications to this, I welcome that.
speech to text does include some funny punctuation errors. It's too difficult to correct some of this on my iPhone, but I got This message into shape that I think anyone can decipher.
this is basically what ChatGPT Said and recommended. It said that this would be cheaper than taking a hard drive in and requesting that a company do the transfer. It only recommended seeking another company in the case that the hard drive itself had some damage to it, in which case the Geek Squad at Best Buy would not be able to handle it. So a company like Ace Data Recovery Would be able to handle that, at least that is what ChatGPT said.
I didn't suggest they do it, just that they tell you what you need to buy and prove that it works before you buy it.
Oh, you think that they would test it at the genius bar, and see if that method works?
Yes, just to see if a macBookPro with TB5 could read your disk