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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 6,880
    nemesis10 said:
    Novica said:

    Am I the only one wondering and more than slightly worried about why DAZ is doing this crazy pricing?  Even if Genesis 9 is on the really-quick-horizon (and who knows?)  I don't remember DAZ doing pricing like this right before Genesis 8. Did they? When was it released, I'll go check my orders.

    I also noticed a FaceBook coupon too!  I should see if it stacks!

    What Facebook coupon?

  • NathNath Posts: 2,804

    I filled up a cart to rebuy Leroy and freebies but dumped it again since I don't really need to spend $42 on scraping the freebie section for things that aren't even in my wishlist.

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    Novica said:

    Am I the only one wondering and more than slightly worried about why DAZ is doing this crazy pricing?  Even if Genesis 9 is on the really-quick-horizon (and who knows?)  I don't remember DAZ doing pricing like this right before Genesis 8. Did they? When was it released, I'll go check my orders.

    I have my theories. First, I don't think any of the marketing we're seeing has anything to do with G9. At least, not directly. Daz is investing a lot of developers' time in updates to Daz Studio. With dForce (cloth) and later dForce Hair, they were able to release the updates and capitalize on the new features. Same with Iray years before. Right now, they are improving DS's capabilities with animation. I would expect to see an effort to capitalize on that once 4.12.1 is released.

    In the meantime, they need working capital to pay those developers, and putting assets they already own outright on sale with deep discounts will increase sales and provide that capital.

    Second, when G8 came out, there was a very vocal group of people on the forums who made it clear they weren't interested in moving to G8 and rebuying the same figures, morphs, and utlitilies for a new generation. Some went so far as to call G8 "Genesis 3.5". Prior to G8, I don't recall any named figure release that came with massive incentives, like free pro bundles or categories of content with $100 or more free. I suspect the incentives, along with a much more diverse, and older, group of figures is a result of long time customers not willing to buy into the new generation; Or new iterations of older iconic figures.

    I've seen what I think is a trend toward smaller incentives, an attempt on Daz's part, perhaps, to wean us off the idea that we should get Pro bundles for under $40, along with $200-$300 worth of older products for free. (A good business move on Daz's part, if I'm right.)

    I believe two things need to happen before G9 is released. One, G9 has to be an obvious improvement to G8, preferably with a decent bit of compatiblity with G3/G8 clothing and hair assets. Two, Daz has to reduce or eliminate purchase incentives on the bundles. Considering they trained us to expect said incentives, it won't be an easy task. But if G9 can't bring in the sales on it's own merits, no incentives needed, then it isn't ready to be released anyway, imo.

    And to answer your last question, G8/V8 were released in June, 2017.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131
    Robert Freise said:
    nonesuch00 said:

    Mty Indian Ringneck Parakeet attacks if I come near it while I'm talking on the phone to anyone! And most days when I change the bath water on top of it's cage. It makes me laugh but not when she gets a hold of me, her beak packs a pinch.

    I had a Cinnamon Cockatiel that hated my ex it would unlock its cage to get out and attack her even when she was outside the room in the hallway

    It would also get out and chase the cat if the cat came into its room. It was really funny to see the cat tearing down the hall and the bird hissing and chasing him

    Aren't the funny though. I've so surprise that a 4 ounce bird will attack me! laugh

  • HylasHylas Posts: 4,988
    L'Adair said:
     

    I've seen what I think is a trend toward smaller incentives, an attempt on Daz's part, perhaps, to wean us off the idea that we should get Pro bundles for under $40, along with $200-$300 worth of older products for free. (A good business move on Daz's part, if I'm right.)

    Can you expand on the 2nd part of your post? DAZ is giving us deeper discounts recently, how is this an trend towards smaller incentives?

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited February 2020

     

    Fishtales said:
    Novica said:

     His Welsh name is Ci Pwff (Kay-Poof) and we will call him simply "Poof."

     

    I would watch where you shout that name out when calling him in public wink

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poof ;

    Almost everything we looked at has a double meaning somewhere, or slang.  But your link went to "couldn't find anything" basically. 

    Sorry, we couldn't find: Poof 

    Back to Urban Dictionary

     

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  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887

    Back when Genesis 8 was first released in June 2017, I had quite a few orders ranging from 60 to 70 percent, and a few at 75%. Nothing like what they're doing now. 

  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,421
    Wonderland said:
    nemesis10 said:
    Novica said:

    Am I the only one wondering and more than slightly worried about why DAZ is doing this crazy pricing?  Even if Genesis 9 is on the really-quick-horizon (and who knows?)  I don't remember DAZ doing pricing like this right before Genesis 8. Did they? When was it released, I'll go check my orders.

    I also noticed a FaceBook coupon too!  I should see if it stacks!

    What Facebook coupon?

    I sent you a message!

  • FishtalesFishtales Posts: 6,119
    Novica said:

     

    Fishtales said:
    Novica said:

     His Welsh name is Ci Pwff (Kay-Poof) and we will call him simply "Poof."

     

    I would watch where you shout that name out when calling him in public wink

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poof ;

    Almost everything we looked at has a double meaning somewhere, or slang.  But your link went to "couldn't find anything" basically. 

    Sorry, we couldn't find: Poof 

    Back to Urban Dictionary

     

    here are no definitions for this word.
    Be the first to define it!

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    Regarding other matters- Is the entire internet slow for you folks?

    Scroll down that page of words and click on poof and it opens the definition.

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    Hylas said:
    L'Adair said:
     

    I've seen what I think is a trend toward smaller incentives, an attempt on Daz's part, perhaps, to wean us off the idea that we should get Pro bundles for under $40, along with $200-$300 worth of older products for free. (A good business move on Daz's part, if I'm right.)

    Can you expand on the 2nd part of your post? DAZ is giving us deeper discounts recently, how is this an trend towards smaller incentives?

    If you disregard Dain 8 and Leroy 8, and skim through the sales thread for the last several female releases, you'll see comments from people who are complaining the deals aren't as good as they used to be. I haven't been doing screencaps of the all various offers, so I can't be specific about one sale or another, but the incentives have gone from X number of pro bundles to $X of free content from this page, to $X/4 of free content from these four categories… Where X continues to get smaller.

    I was able to find a screencap of the Elios 8 onsite message, which stated, "Get $70 of Select Daz Original Items FREE when you buy the Elios 8 Pro Bundle. *Elios 8 Pro Bundle must be in cart simultaneously for discount to apply. $70 discount replaces the standard $40 discount."

    I found two screencaps for Leisa 8, which I've attached, released during the PC Anniversary sale. I don't see any free products with these screencaps only addtional discounts on Leisa and Addons, along with discounts on the PC+/Day Catch-Up Sale Items. Those are items which were offered for a day at $1.99, and later in catch-up sales at $2.99. Except during the Leisa 8 promo, they were offered for $5 and then discounted to $2.49 if you bought the pro bundle in the same cart. The onsite message was for an additional 20% off the pro bundle, (didn't include the Addons,) and a code for a discount on Gift Cards.

    I consider Dain 8 an exception. The offers surrounding Dain 8 kept a lot of customers from returning the Pro Bundle, myself included. Had Dain 8's incentives been as weak as many of the previous offers, I'd have returned the bundle the same day I bought it. When Leroy 8 came out one week later with the exact same incentives, I figured it was Daz's way of saying "sorry" for the Dain 8 bundled products. And in the sales thread you can find people voicing their disappointment that Leroy 8 got none of the additional offers that Dain 8 did.

    There might be a new figure release next week. It will be interesting to see what incentives are on offer.

    20191105 Leisa 8 offer PC+ Sale.png
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    20191105 Leisa 8 offer PC+ Sale $2.99 Catchup.png
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  • gitika1gitika1 Posts: 948
    nemesis10 said:
    Wonderland said:
    nemesis10 said:
    Novica said:

    Am I the only one wondering and more than slightly worried about why DAZ is doing this crazy pricing?  Even if Genesis 9 is on the really-quick-horizon (and who knows?)  I don't remember DAZ doing pricing like this right before Genesis 8. Did they? When was it released, I'll go check my orders.

    I also noticed a FaceBook coupon too!  I should see if it stacks!

    What Facebook coupon?

    I sent you a message!

    I looked on facebook and didn't see a coupon. Mind sharing?

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,244
    Wonderland said:
    barbult said:

    I finally broke down and bought Leroy. The deal was ridiculous; A total of $1,233.75 at 97% off for $42.30. Install Manager won't show any of it, though, so although I guess I own it, I can't use any of it.

    I' already purchased the Leroy bundle and am thinking of re-purchasing it for the freebies. The problem is, if they do another pro bundle sale with the same choice options, I'll literally have nothing else to buy. I'm picking freebies I don't even need now. Deciding whether it's better to spend that money on things I need more but the whole Daz Original section is getting thin for me...

     

    Novica said:

     

    Fishtales said:
    Novica said:

     His Welsh name is Ci Pwff (Kay-Poof) and we will call him simply "Poof."

     

    I would watch where you shout that name out when calling him in public wink

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poof ;

    Almost everything we looked at has a double meaning somewhere, or slang.  But your link went to "couldn't find anything" basically. 

    Sorry, we couldn't find: Poof 

    Back to Urban Dictionary

     

    here are no definitions for this word.
    Be the first to define it!

    ******************************************************************

    Regarding other matters- Is the entire internet slow for you folks?

    The link in the original message is bad. It has that space semicolon at the end (turns into %C2%A0 in the URL). Delete %C2%A0 from the URL and the link will work.

  • RGcincyRGcincy Posts: 2,834

    Regarding sales incentives, I always get the feeling that Daz marketing is working against a monthly cash flow target. I didn't buy much in January because I didn't find the new releases and the pricing all that attractive. Lo and behold, around the 28th there were especially good offers on items and I finally made purchases. I've seen that in other months near their end as well. Of course, it's only mid-February, so it may just be their normal marketing.

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    edited February 2020

    Well, it looks like I should have specified I was only talking about the incentives to purchase the Pro Bundles when they are released.

    Like you, @RGcincy, I also think Daz looks at the sales numbers to decide if they need to roll out the higher discounts. I've long thought we see Flash sales and Blink sales on days Daz comes into the office, and the sales so far that day didn't meet their expectations.
    laugh

    Post edited by L'Adair on
  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,736
    gitika1 said:
    nemesis10 said:
    Wonderland said:
    nemesis10 said:
    Novica said:

    Am I the only one wondering and more than slightly worried about why DAZ is doing this crazy pricing?  Even if Genesis 9 is on the really-quick-horizon (and who knows?)  I don't remember DAZ doing pricing like this right before Genesis 8. Did they? When was it released, I'll go check my orders.

    I also noticed a FaceBook coupon too!  I should see if it stacks!

    What Facebook coupon?

    I sent you a message!

    I looked on facebook and didn't see a coupon. Mind sharing?

    I couldn't find one either. Any chance I can get it? Thanks

  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,421

    https://www.facebook.com/DAZ3D.FanPage/posts/10157871948440540  It stacks with other discounts...

  • watchdog79watchdog79 Posts: 1,026
    nemesis10 said:

    https://www.facebook.com/DAZ3D.FanPage/posts/10157871948440540  It stacks with other discounts...

    Thanks, it does stack in my cart.

  • HylasHylas Posts: 4,988
    nemesis10 said:

    https://www.facebook.com/DAZ3D.FanPage/posts/10157871948440540  It stacks with other discounts...

    oh wooooooooooooooow thank you!

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887

    Bluntly, I don't like the bundle with these two and that face enhancer HD Details- the HD details just give it a acne-scarred face look in the promos.  This one:
    https://www.daz3d.com/auto-face-enhancer-skin-hd-details-for-genesis-8-females

    Note you get the exact same price buying individually as you do in the bundle so there's no benefit to getting the bundle. The prices above are with the stacking 20% from FB. Thanks for sharing that!  (And participating on my thread. ) 

    https://www.daz3d.com/auto-face-enhancer-genesis-8-female-s-bundle    No benefits to getting the bundle, if you don't love all three products, just get what you want.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited February 2020

    If you shop that making faces sale, with the extra 20% FB discount and 20% PC+ discount, if you get two of those new releases you get another 15% the new releases (not the stores). Here's my two experiments. That library for 62% off as a new release is a good deal!  Edit- and the stores with that sale start at 50% up.  SEE CART SEVERAL POSTS BELOW. Great deals!

    Post edited by Novica on
  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,736
    nemesis10 said:

    https://www.facebook.com/DAZ3D.FanPage/posts/10157871948440540  It stacks with other discounts...

    Wow. Thanks.

    A word of caution to anyone else using it: It works well but is single use so shop wisely.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887

    That FB code works on gift cards. Don't forget to scoop one up for 20% off and not have to buy anything!

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887
    edited February 2020

    Here's some sample prices for you-  that's with the PC+ and FB discounts, buying two from the Face sale as mentioned above to get 15% off the new releases, and shopping from the Faces stores.

     Shopping Cart

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    • FG Library

      FG Librarynew      $24.95   $9.50      62%  This is one of the two new items, must have 2 from that sale to get extra 15% just the new releases.

     

     

     

     

     

    • FG Subway

      FG Subway      $25.95      $6.64    74%

     

     

     

     

    • FG Spa

      FG Spa    $19.95   $5.10   74%

     

     

     

    • FG Closet

      FG Closet    $22.95   $5.87     74%

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Subtotal $663.30
    Discount -$494.81
    Grand Total $168.49

    75%
    Post edited by Novica on
  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,887

    I'm behind surfing threads. Congrats to these winners from It's Raining Men Contest!  

    @vwrangler  3rd place     @mollytabby  Best Image of Leon        Best Image by a New User   @gordig

    Best Toon Image  @nonesuch00     Best Repurposed  @LaPartita    

  • LaPartitaLaPartita Posts: 406

    Thanks, @Novica!

  • DaventakiDaventaki Posts: 1,624
    @novica I know it's a preference but the AFEskin HD details are not bad if you dont crank them all the way up. Take a peek at my image I posted in the AFE thread or in my portrait library. I would put it here but I'm at work on my cell. That was done with just a few minutes play subd level 3.
  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131
    edited February 2020
    Novica said:

    Bluntly, I don't like the bundle with these two and that face enhancer HD Details- the HD details just give it a acne-scarred face look in the promos.  This one:
    https://www.daz3d.com/auto-face-enhancer-skin-hd-details-for-genesis-8-females

    Note you get the exact same price buying individually as you do in the bundle so there's no benefit to getting the bundle. The prices above are with the stacking 20% from FB. Thanks for sharing that!  (And participating on my thread. ) 

    https://www.daz3d.com/auto-face-enhancer-genesis-8-female-s-bundle    No benefits to getting the bundle, if you don't love all three products, just get what you want.

    I did a super high-res render today of a DAZ Originals and they have a similar problem and if it's a male there is hair to compound it. So I image search Car 54 TV show and look at some really old pictures and even in those days there was quite a bt of skin roughness but something still wasn't right in the DAZ Orginals skin I was seeing at very high res in a render but I wasn't sure what. Then I thought that there is a layer of oil on people's skin that levels off the rough porous surface and diffuses light through it but the way iRay skin is modeled in DAZ it doesn't reflect that behavior. DAZ skin is it's either super smooth photo airbrushed skin or excessively detailed lemon peel skin.

    I have 3 of the 6 individual products you are talking about and will buy the G8M Expressions for AFE next. I'm using them fine without the face HD skin details. 

    The skin details for both I will buy, eventually, some day, when they are on sale but only occasionally use. They are really good for what they are but I'm not a fan of the orange peel look without the oil layer to go with it.

    +++++ And thanks for that congratulations on the Toon Category of the IRM contest.

    Post edited by nonesuch00 on
  • genarisgenaris Posts: 321

    ? about those AFE products: The Face HD skin details product for G8m (& the one for G8F) state that the AFE product is required.   I'd like to use the Face HD Details but am not interested at all in the AFE base product itself.   Is it actually possible to own/USE ONLY the Face Details product?   Are these simply custom normals or displacement maps, or LIEs, or morphs or what?
       ~Gen

  • HeavyRayHeavyRay Posts: 175
    nemesis10 said:

    https://www.facebook.com/DAZ3D.FanPage/posts/10157871948440540  It stacks with other discounts...

    Thank you SO much for the coupon....  Combined with the Leroy promo (and who knows what else), my order was: 95 items with a "base price" of $2017.35" and a "cart price" of $117.33.  Overall, 94% in savings!!!   WooHoo!!!

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131
    edited February 2020
    genaris said:

    ? about those AFE products: The Face HD skin details product for G8m (& the one for G8F) state that the AFE product is required.   I'd like to use the Face HD Details but am not interested at all in the AFE base product itself.   Is it actually possible to own/USE ONLY the Face Details product?   Are these simply custom normals or displacement maps, or LIEs, or morphs or what?
       ~Gen

    Well it you use the details without the expressions it's going to be as Novica says - it'll look like an acne scarred face or an old weather beaten face of someone that make lots of expressions in their lives.

    That said, you can do it and if that's the look you are going for it'll look great.

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