Anyone else a bit concerned by the pivot towards adult content?

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  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,176

    Tomhip said:

    Hopefully this means Zev0 will be able to bring those to this store too. Rest of his morphs there are VERY NSFW though .

    That will be up to Zev0. I've seen them, I might even own some. surprise 

  • gfdamron1gfdamron1 Posts: 196

    And here I thought we had wrapped up this topic when discussion turned to up-right pianos, along wtih graphic depictions of one.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,176

    gfdamron1 said:

    And here I thought we had wrapped up this topic when discussion turned to up-right pianos, along wtih graphic depictions of one.

    This thread is a gift that keeps on giving laugh

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,722

    So if there are nude promos now, can we post tasteful nudes in the gallery??? (asking for a friend, LOL)

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 99,461

    FSMCDesigns said:

    So if there are nude promos now, can we post tasteful nudes in the gallery??? (asking for a friend, LOL)

    Currently the gallery and forum ruls are unchanged - and changing them would of course require a way of applying a filter similar to that in the store, which would be two lots of fairly substantial coding since (as far as I am aware) the galeries and forums use different systems..

  • takezo_3001takezo_3001 Posts: 1,957

    If anyone could code it, the magnificent wizards at Daz could… But they do have a bit more on their plate.

  • RasberriRasberri Posts: 299
    edited April 25

    Im not a fan of all of the skimp wear.. I think leaving something to the imagination is far more attractive. When I do buy clothes here, I am usually looking for period pieces or something specific from an era of time such as victorian, etc. --or just a plain old pair of boots and jeans, or jean cutoffs, etc.  As with anything in life, TV-channel surfing, media, grocery store, etc. if you don't like it.. scroll past it being selective.  It seems marketing has used sex to sell things, though, for a very long time, and really is that necessary?

    I hope DAZ continues to make an effort to include normal everyday items and items from particular eras of time.  I adore all of the Greek and Roman stuff, and growing up in Utah, the Native American items are next on my bucket list.

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  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,641
    edited April 25

    This is really annoying and unnecessary.

     

     

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  • felisfelis Posts: 4,205
    edited April 25

    ArtAngel said:

    This is really annoying and unnecessary.

     

     

    I assume the AI found the dots on the wseater to be nipples. 

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  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 746

    xyer0 said:

    Here's another one! It doesn't come up on a "piano" search either, even though "piano" is in the text of the promo page four times.

     

    Thank you! That was actually the second one I found. And I was looking at the description of the page going "how?? HOW WAS THIS NOT IN THE SEARCH?!"

    I feel so bad for the PAs who probably lose a lot to people who WOULD buy their stuff, if only they could find it...

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,641

    felis said:

    ArtAngel said:

    This is really annoying and unnecessary.

     

     

    I assume the AI found the dots on the wseater to be nipples. 

    No lie. Will polka-dot shaders be deemed an orgy? Got to love whoever programmed this puppy. It's got a lot of growing to do.
  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 746

    ArtAngel said:

    felis said:

    ArtAngel said:

    This is really annoying and unnecessary.

     

     

    I assume the AI found the dots on the wseater to be nipples. 

    No lie. Will polka-dot shaders be deemed an orgy? Got to love whoever programmed this puppy. It's got a lot of growing to do.

    Henceforth, whenever I see a far-too-spotted piece of clothing, I shall describe it as having an orgy of polka-dots. I really think that ought to he the default term for a group of them (like a murder of crows). 

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 8,939

    Tomhip said:

    Ya all wait untill next month when we start welcoming artists from Renderotica :D

     

    Personally I dont see a problem as long as it has functional filtering for those who don't want to see any of it.

    As long as its legal and makes the store prosper, we all prosper.

    Er... Powerage is a major vendor of "them types" of products on Renderotica, and, as has already been noted, Zev0 has some products there as well, and both have been here for many years.  Heck, it hasn't been that long since DAVO finally left the DAZ store.  

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 8,939

    Tomhip said:

    columbine said:

    Torquinox said:

    Tomhip said:

    Ya all wait untill next month when we start welcoming artists from Renderotica :D

    Actually, Zev0 sells the G3 and G8 versions of the open wide product on renderotica. Just sayin'.

    THANK YOU, Torquinox. I was just writing someone else how this is the only new release I'm even vaguely interested in today and that I wished Zev0 had a G8 version as well because there's one morph/pose in there I don't think you can achieve any other way. (And no, I don't intend to use these poses for what you're thinking. I want the throat bulge combined with cheek puff for a scene where I have to change someone into a frog.)

    (SNIP)

    Hopefully this means Zev0 will be able to bring those to this store too. Rest of his morphs there are VERY NSFW though .

    Given that a large percentage of those are add-ons for products by a vendo who is not sold here, it seems unlikely.  Though not as unlikely as THAT vendor showing up here. :D     

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,421

    columbine said:

    For the record, as someone who makes Stories That Happen To Have Sex Scenes In Them Not Sorry About That, I am always interested in "adult content" tool, but I also believe in strong filtering/hiding options, because if you don't want that in your store you should be able to opt out. What I dislike is when people try to take the "NO, it shouldn't be here at all" attitude, especially if that means "... and YOU can't have it either," which it almost always does.

    Yes, now is the very latest time for the opt-out procedure, which I wished for much earlier. What sense does it make to have to keep trudging through endless product lists when you know for a fact that you would never buy certain items? That alone is a bit annoying, but with the new 'adult' tolerance, real sensitivities could be offended. 

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,176

    Cybersox said:

    Hopefully this means Zev0 will be able to bring those to this store too. Rest of his morphs there are VERY NSFW though .

    Given that a large percentage of those are add-ons for products by a vendo who is not sold here, it seems unlikely.  Though not as unlikely as THAT vendor showing up here. :D     

    Seems unlikely but could happen! devil

  • davesodaveso Posts: 6,795

    the promos in this product go far beyond anything DAZ has ever put on their site. 
    M3D Carol HD for Genesis 9 | Daz 3D  The model overall all looks great. 

  • ByrdieByrdie Posts: 1,781

    Oh my! ;-)

  • HaslorHaslor Posts: 408

    Richard Haseltine said:

    So far the main issue has been overenthusiastic application of the filtering.

    I'd agree, some of the thing flagged as Mature, I wouldn't say are even PG, (if we use the Movie ratings as a common reference point) but you have to error on the side of more sensitive than less.
    While others should be flagged and I wouldn't want my young grandchildren seeing them.
    If you went to collage for art, you most likely had a class in drawing the human form, and as I remember most of those models were in the buff.
    Could some things be presented in a clay format, like body morphs, yes. but if you are showing off textures, that might not be possible. And some Textures applied over some morphs just look hideous.
    I think the current Flagging system while not perfect,
    You, can leave the filtering on, if you would rather not see those things; or if you don’t mind the content, choose to turn the filtering off.

  • HaslorHaslor Posts: 408

    ArtAngel said:

    felis said:

    ArtAngel said:

    This is really annoying and unnecessary.

     

     

    I assume the AI found the dots on the wseater to be nipples. 

    No lie. Will polka-dot shaders be deemed an orgy? Got to love whoever programmed this puppy. It's got a lot of growing to do.

    An interesting question. smiley 
    I suppose it depends on where you rate on the Puridian Black and White are the only acceptable color's scale.
    If they are using AI to choose, it could have used the location and size of the Dots, on the first picture and not the fact there were dots.

    Remember to Error is to be Human, but to really mess things up you need a computer.

  • HaslorHaslor Posts: 408

    Masterstroke said:

    caravelle said:

    Masterstroke said:
    Nudity does NOT mean porn.
    No person, not even a child, has ever been harmed by just looking at a nude body.

    Right: Nudity does not mean porn. But it depends on how a person was brought up. If someone has been told since childhood that nudity is sinful and that looking at naked people leads straight to hell, the sudden sight can be shocking even for adults. 

    I have nothing against nudity at Daz, but if, like at the other shop, an avalanche of voluptuous breasts were to roll towards me now, it would disturb me. This excess on the often terribly cheap looking promos for an oversupply of skimpwear is the reason why I only buy very selectively from this other shop.

    I aggree on that. I think it is hard to find a set of rules, allowing nudity, but avoiding those over the top, right in your face, super stylized sexual imageries at the same time.
    Not, because it disturbs me, but because DAZ is just not he place for that. 
    I'd be all in for allowing an artistic erotic nudity level, like known from 70s Playboy or photo art galleries.

    Most of the Playboy proctorial of Fifties and Sixty's are less shocking, than some of the Victoria Secret ads of today, or the Red Carpet of the VMA's. (I'm thinking Lil' Kim at the 1999 MTV Music Award (btw she was 25 at the time)) Some of of those early pictorials wouldn't even by considered racy by today's standards, but they were shocking in the Fifties.

    Actually nude is rather boring, some are beautiful while others ... well are not as beautiful.
    But add a little silk and lace, and it will amp up the spice, cause you add mystery. Why do you think Lingerie was invented and why it is so varied?
    A suggestive drape, as just the right spot, while not displaying anything, can be for lewd then being naked, for it is suggestive.

    As for the store being the place for such images?... Well I could say, what if I am looking for a texture and need to see what this Morp does with texture.
    I know there is the 30 day return policy, but how many items do you actually in your content library, which you wish you could have return, after working with them, but the 30 days are up?  I know I have a few.

     

     

  • Personally I'm hoping it gets more common that characters have promos showing them fully nude so we can see the whole texture before buying. It's not nice buying a character like Jada 8.1 to find out much later she has this weird butt darker coloring because you don't have the time to check every single thing you buy the moment you buy them. I'm not sure if I'd ask for a refund if I could because I like the face morph a lot, but still feels like paying too much for that because the skin for me is pretty much unusable as it is. And I'm sure there are many more cases like that I've forgotten or don't know about (Jada's is just the one I remember the most because I really liked the character a lot until I found out about that)

  • caravelle said:

    Pancake said:

    It just seems like the possibility of ever getting a decent variety of normal clothes, particularly male clothes, is slipping further and further away.

    Yes, that is to be feared. I can see the Rendo exodus dumping tonnes of skimpwear into the Daz store alongside lots of interesting items, as well as tonnes of new white chicks... So just what is already here in abundance and clogging up the channels to more variety for good.

    I noticed the exodus as well. Anybody know why it's happening? 

  • GordigGordig Posts: 9,903

    rjhodge1_e41439583f said:

    caravelle said:

    Pancake said:

    It just seems like the possibility of ever getting a decent variety of normal clothes, particularly male clothes, is slipping further and further away.

    Yes, that is to be feared. I can see the Rendo exodus dumping tonnes of skimpwear into the Daz store alongside lots of interesting items, as well as tonnes of new white chicks... So just what is already here in abundance and clogging up the channels to more variety for good.

    I noticed the exodus as well. Anybody know why it's happening? 

    There's been speculation, but I don't think anybody knows for sure, and the PAs that have transitioned over here (the ones on the forums, at least) haven't said why.

  • GordigGordig Posts: 9,903

    mazinkaiserzero said:

    It's not nice buying a character like Jada 8.1 to find out much later she has this weird butt darker coloring because you don't have the time to check every single thing you buy the moment you buy them.

    Really shows how little attention I pay to butts that Jada's skin is one of my favorites, and I've never noticed.

  • doubledeviantdoubledeviant Posts: 1,115

    I noticed the exodus as well. Anybody know why it's happening? 

    TL;DR version - policy changes at Rendo that a.) upset some/many vendors and b.) allow previously exclusive products to be sold elsewhere.
  • Matt_CastleMatt_Castle Posts: 2,523

    Gordig said:

    mazinkaiserzero said:

    It's not nice buying a character like Jada 8.1 to find out much later she has this weird butt darker coloring because you don't have the time to check every single thing you buy the moment you buy them.

    Really shows how little attention I pay to butts that Jada's skin is one of my favorites, and I've never noticed.

    My excuse for not noticing is that due to use of a replacement butt, I don't normally use that part of the textures:

    ... and I usually end up covering up the replacement butt anyway.

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 5,870

    Gordig said:

    mazinkaiserzero said:

    It's not nice buying a character like Jada 8.1 to find out much later she has this weird butt darker coloring because you don't have the time to check every single thing you buy the moment you buy them.

    Really shows how little attention I pay to butts that Jada's skin is one of my favorites, and I've never noticed.

    Darker butts are not uncommon with darker skin irl; so, that may be due to source textures. I can't imagine Jada being rejected on these grounds, poor girl. 

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 746

    Matt_Castle said:

    Gordig said:

    mazinkaiserzero said:

    It's not nice buying a character like Jada 8.1 to find out much later she has this weird butt darker coloring because you don't have the time to check every single thing you buy the moment you buy them.

    Really shows how little attention I pay to butts that Jada's skin is one of my favorites, and I've never noticed.

    My excuse for not noticing is that due to use of a replacement butt, I don't normally use that part of the textures:

    ... and I usually end up covering up the replacement butt anyway.

    That is a very nice replacement butt! Love the modern-day centaur look. <3 

  • xyer0 said:

    Gordig said:

    mazinkaiserzero said:

    It's not nice buying a character like Jada 8.1 to find out much later she has this weird butt darker coloring because you don't have the time to check every single thing you buy the moment you buy them.

    Really shows how little attention I pay to butts that Jada's skin is one of my favorites, and I've never noticed.

    Darker butts are not uncommon with darker skin irl; so, that may be due to source textures. I can't imagine Jada being rejected on these grounds, poor girl. 

    Yes, that is true and I don't mind the tone variations she has overall, but the one on the butt just seems too harsh imho, unless she's wearing at least something like on the promos I feel it's way too harsh the transition from the butt to the legs. Sure, as you guys have established some people don't mind and that's fine but some like me will, so that's why we should be able to see the textures properly before buying. It's not a porn thing having some promos of the nude model, just full transparency on what we are paying for.

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